Which way would you vote in an EU referendum?

[J Ed]

So it looks like there is a vague possibility that we might actually get a chance to decide on Europe in the unlikely event of the Tories being re-elected. How would you vote?

 

[chilango]

I'm actually pro-Europe (not pro EU so much, but deffo identify as "European" before British or Welsh or whatever.).

But I think right now I'd vote "Out" for the lulz. Y'know call the fuckers bluff on it?

 

[butchersapron]

Fuck yeah.

Forget the ultra-left nonsense that we don't take part in bosses battles - look at it as if a boss is trying to reorganise your workplace, or a council reorganise your area. When does it become your battle? When the bosses give you the go-ahead?

 

[goldenecitrone]

I'm actually pro-Europe (not pro EU so much, but deffo identify as "European" before British or Welsh or whatever.).

But I think right now I'd vote "Out" for the lulz. Y'know call the fuckers bluff on it?

I know what you mean. I'd be tempted to, but don't quite think I could bring myself to do it.

 

[laptop]

Bugger. Misread the question.

As will many in any actual referendum, in the unlikely event that it comes to pass.

 

[butchersapron]

I know what you mean. I'd be tempted to, but don't quite think I could bring myself to do it.

No you wouldn't.

 

[goldenecitrone]

No you wouldn't.

Up for a bit of panto, eh? Oh yes I would.

 

[RedDragon]

I'm really not happy with it's current set-up, so would vote in favour of a withdrawal

 

[twentythreedom]

Nein

 

[tony.c]

Don't know. I voted No and campaigned against joining a 'Bosses' Market in 1973. Don't know if I could bring myself to vote with UKIP and the little Englander Tories now.
At the moment I think I wouldn't bother voting.

 

[butchersapron]

Don't know. I voted No and campaigned against joining a 'Bosses' Market in 1973. Don't know if I could bring myself to vote with UKIP and the little Englander Tories now.

Hence your refusal to campaign against the invasion of Iraq. No agreeing with people like that is the main thing after all.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Leaving the EU would seriously damage british capitalism and all the blame for it's consequences would be shouldered by the right.

Hmmm maybe not. More complicated than that. But I'd vote no if there was one tomorrow, being the good bennite that I am. Although in principle I have no problem with intra-european political institutions.

 

[butchersapron]

Leaving the EU would seriously damage british capitalism and all the blame for it's consequences would be shouldered by the right.

Hmmm maybe not. More complicated than that. But I'd vote no if there was one tomorrow, being the good bennite that I am. Although in principle I have no problem with intra-european political institutions.

Do you mean yes or no to leaving the EU? Being the good centrist, i suppose it depends.

 

[Fez909]

Unsure. It protects us from the worst of the Tories, but it's anti-Socialist.

Probably vote to stay in unless 'the left' looked to be in better shape than recent years.

 

[Delroy Booth]

Do you mean yes or no to leaving the EU? Being the good centrist, i suppose it depends.

I'd vote to leave the EU. (I've had a long day and my brain is a bit mushy)

 

[butchersapron]

Unsure. It protects us from the worst of the Tories, but it's anti-Socialist.

Probably vote to stay in unless 'the left' looked to be in better shape than recent years.

It doesn't protect us from the tories - this is a total myth. It is the body insisting on tory style austerity across the european working class right now, today, as we speak. Where does this myth that it's the workers friend come from?

 

[chilango]

I don't any referendum like this could be judged on what's positive/constructive for us either way.

Rather we should consider which would cause the more of a "fracture" within capital, the bosses and the ruling class.

 

[tony.c]

Hence your refusal to campaign against the invasion of Iraq. No agreeing with people like that is the main thing after all.

Ehh? I did campaign against the war on Iraq. The Tories supported it.

 

[butchersapron]

Ehh? I did campaign against the war on Iraq. The Tories supported it.

Yes, but the BNP and other nasties did too - so on the basis that you can't agree with nasty people (or takethe same action for a different reason) you wouldn't have done.

 

[chilango]

It doesn't protect us from the tories - this is a total myth. It is the body insisting on tory style austerity across the european working class right now, today, as we speak. Where does this myth that it's the workers friend come from?

Elements in the right-wing media love to propagate this myth.

 

[Favelado]

Don't really want the possibility of being forced to move home thrust upon me.

 

[stuff_it]

I'm really not happy with it's current set-up, so would vote in favour of a withdrawal

Just how do you think this country will be set up under a second term Tory government with no ECHR holding them back?

butchersapron - I have serious concerns for basic human rights in this country if we withdraw from Europe. Sweatshop Britain, competing economically on the world stage again?

 

[Fez909]

It doesn't protect us from the tories - this is a total myth. It is the body insisting on tory style austerity across the european working class right now, today, as we speak. Where does this myth that it's the workers friend come from?

Human rights legislation, workers rights legislation?

 

[butchersapron]

Elements in the right-wing media love to propagate this myth.

Exactly - and it's often the same soft-leftitsts (not talking about fez) who take a position that then i like it, it must be true!

 

[RedDragon]

Don't really want the possibility of being forced to move home thrust upon me.

I'm sure it wouldn't come to that, Dave would probably negotiate a 100 year transition period.

 

[Fez909]

Exactly - and it's often the same soft-leftitsts (not talking about fez) who take a position that then i like it, it must be true!

LOL, I probably come across as soft-left. Or perhaps just not a hardcore politico.

Anyway, is the convention on human rights not an EU thing? And the working week legislation, and number of holidays, etc etc?

 

[butchersapron]

Human rights legislation, workers rights legislation?

Which ones then? Given that they have are in the process of dismantling them right now in greece, in spain, in portugal and in ireland (all the better so they can exploit the rights free zone of east europe in their battle with the US and asia) and that.

 

[butchersapron]

Just how do you think this country will be set up under a second term Tory government with no ECHR holding them back?

butchersapron - I have serious concerns for basic human rights in this country if we withdraw from Europe. Sweatshop Britain, competing economically on the world stage again?

Do you? What are they?

The whole point of the EU is to construct a two or three zone sweatshop europe.

 

[Fez909]

OK, I thought the ECHR was an EU thing, but it is separate. It was the Council of Europe, which include non-EU states.

 

[butchersapron]

LOL, I probably come across as soft-left. Or perhaps just not a hardcore politico.

Anyway, is the convention on human rights not an EU thing? And the working week legislation, and number of holidays, etc etc?

The european convention is. Why a) could this not be adopted outside of the eu and b) what is the use of a formal set of rights whilst they economically ground the various countries populations up?