DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Sounds like a SWP public meeting with answer being join the SWP.
Thoughts?
Experience?
Thoughts?
Experience?
The current rise of the European FAR right; why it's happening and how to fight it.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
rise of the european right sounds like they've only just noticed the tory party, gaullists etc. disappointing even by trot standards.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Think about what we have as common class experiences (i.e. our relationship to the means of production...or our means of existence) as well as common cultural, social, ethic and other experiences...we may find that our ability to sustain and recreate ourselves (to live and have kids) enables to identify and work with each other.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
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gosub
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ECJ playing top trumps over QE sovereignty with nation states won't help. German nationalism is about to go nuts.
Democratic accountability is still rooted to Nation state geography, the over arching pan EUropean systems only pay lip service to democracy. Its the detachment of the public from the levers of power that will be a major driving force.
Democratic accountability is still rooted to Nation state geography, the over arching pan EUropean systems only pay lip service to democracy. Its the detachment of the public from the levers of power that will be a major driving force.
Flavour
hang the bankers
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
The fuck?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
contracycle
Member
The rise of the right is occurring for much the same reason it did in the 30's; the prevailing order has discredited itself, and people are looking for answers as to how things can be fixed. The "dirty foreigners" argument is easy, and indeed lazy, but it is an "answer" that many are willing to believe.
Probably not the only answer but I really think that educating people and constantly challenging the narrative so that racists know that they are alone. They don't exist in a vacuum and get part of their strength from people who tacitly accept racist assumptions about Eastern Europeans, people who practise Islam and the effects of immigration on an economy etc. They need to know that they are isolated.
That's more from the perspective of this country, I don't think the European far right is commonly thought to really include Britain so much? I assume you're talking about more hardcore organisations (I don't know the names of so many). I mean, we have the EDL but the far right in this country is pretty "Four Lions" as far as I'm concerned. And thought UKIP have pretty distasteful views they're still a mainstream party.
So I guess, getting educated as well about who the far right are and how they operate would be good.
That's more from the perspective of this country, I don't think the European far right is commonly thought to really include Britain so much? I assume you're talking about more hardcore organisations (I don't know the names of so many). I mean, we have the EDL but the far right in this country is pretty "Four Lions" as far as I'm concerned. And thought UKIP have pretty distasteful views they're still a mainstream party.
So I guess, getting educated as well about who the far right are and how they operate would be good.
contracycle
Member
The parliamentary right and the far right are not unrelated. A parliamentary party that wins elections by, say, opposing immigration, opens up space for essentialist arguments about race. This is why it is deadly dangerous to think, as apparently many in both in the Conservative and Labour parties do, that they can somehow draw the sting of race politics by "having the debate" on immigration etc.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Title edited to avoid confusion.
coley
Well-Known Member
"Them most of all"
Please provide links of various billionaires or even lower down the social scale, multi millionaires,having their lives destroyed?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
I have heard Harvey and Dorling pushing the same schtick. It's just so offensive.
coley
Well-Known Member
phil's probably come into some money.
Mair likely he's found a huge stash of mind altering drugs and has snorted the lot, though hard to tell given his usual posts
coley
Well-Known Member
Not so easily,this time around!
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
I was talking to a German mate about Pegida tonight, and he reckons Dresden had always been a bit backward, never got foreign broadcasts in the valley during the DDR times and is now full of ignorant tossers who blame the rest of the world for their ills. The number of foreigners who actually live in Dresden is marginal, the number of muslims is infinitesimally small. Backwards cunts who haven't caught up with modernity.
It would be quicker to name those that haven't. Especially if they've come into money in their own lifetime, like the "stars" of our "entertainment" industry. They are disproportionately mad and degenerate.
But that isn't what I meant. I meant to point out that capital is, by its very nature, the opposite of human life. So its malignity is exercised on all humans-- its owners most of all.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
your title was quite clear and the only confusion yours.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
goldenecitrone so your plan to deal with pegida supporters not to demonstrate the vacuity of the ideas but to call them thick. grand.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
How are you going to deal with them then?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
through the introduction of a class analysis into the debate, showing fears to be largely baseless but taking the concerns seriously. not by acting like a bourgeois wanker and hardening their attitudes which would be the result of your sneery wank.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
And yes, they are fucking thick. Have they not read any German history books? Has nobody mentioned to them who they resemble?
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
You are personally going to visit Dresden and talk to the marchers on a one to one basis? Viel gluck, du verdammte trottel.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
perhaps you should have a look at 'how to win friends and influence people'.
But by acting instead like yourself, which is guaranteed to force any interlocutor into opposing anything you claim to stand for.
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