The conflation of race with the issue of child abuse.

[ItWillNeverWork]

I'm watching a piece on BBC news about child grooming and part of the focus has been on the racial make-up of the perpetrators. I was always under the impression that most paedophiles were white, so why this focus on the Asian community in the media? does anyone know what the actual statistics are in regards to the race of convicted child abusers?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Banworthy? How?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Banworthy? How?

Eh?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Sorry, your tagline said that you'd been banned immediately after posting that. Presumably that was something you'd done yourself for grins.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Oh, I get you. No, I'm not banned. That was just a joke status I added earlier this morning. Sorry, I accidentally derailed my own thread.

Anyway, does anybody have any knowledge on the subject? The programme on News 24 was rather inflammatory I thought.

 

[_angel_]

I'm watching a piece on BBC news about child grooming and part of the focus has been on the racial make-up of the perpetrators. I was always under the impression that most paedophiles were white, so why this focus on the Asian community in the media? does anyone know what the actual statistics are in regards to the race of convicted child abusers?

Why would they be mainly white apart from the fact most people over the whole population are? If you are talking about an area where most people are not white, it follows most paedophiles will be also.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Why would they be mainly white apart from the fact most people over the whole population are? If you are talking about an area where most people are not white, it follows most paedophiles will be also.

Exactly. But that isn't the impression that this programme was giving, and it's not the impression that you get when you read in the gutter press about 'asian rape gangs' etc. The programme seemed to imply that paedophilia was something dispropportionately perpetrated by Asian men.

 

[_angel_]

There is an issue apparently with (mainly) asian men targeting non asian girls and I don't think the BBC would be mentioning it unless there was a good case it was true.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

There is an issue apparently with (mainly) asian men targeting non asian girls

A few months ago there was a big story in the papers about an asian gang grooming young girls. The same week a gang of white people got charged for exactly the same thing. Guess which got all the headlines?

and I don't think the BBC would be mentioning it unless there was a good case it was true.

Do you know the actual numbers though? Or do you just presume that because it's on the BBC it must be true?

 

[_angel_]

I would never normally trust the BBC but this has been on the local news and I don't think the local BBC are in the business of manufacturing a race row for no reason. In fact I'd say they were shit scared of doing such a thing. It's okay for them to demonise claimants but they're not going to want to be accused of racism.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I would never normally trust the BBC but this has been on the local news and I don't think the local BBC are in the business of manufacturing a race row for no reason. In fact I'd say they were shit scared of doing such a thing. It's okay for them to demonise claimants but they're not going to want to be accused of racism.

So do you know the figures?

 

[_angel_]

Why would I? I get the feeling that you'd prefer to ignore it tho.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

If I preferred to ignore it I wouldn't have started the thread. I don't, however, trust what I read or see in the news.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

And btw, not figures were quoted in the programme, just innuendo.

 

[_angel_]

If I preferred to ignore it I wouldn't have started the thread. I don't, however, trust what I read or see in the news.

You think they invented this?
Why would the BBC want to do that.....? I can't think of a reason. It will be reported, but it seems you don't want it to be???

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Child abuse within certain 'groups,' or between them?

 

[goldenecitrone]

I'm watching a piece on BBC news about child grooming and part of the focus has been on the racial make-up of the perpetrators. I was always under the impression that most paedophiles were white, so why this focus on the Asian community in the media? does anyone know what the actual statistics are in regards to the race of convicted child abusers?

It's all part of the bbcs new anti-immigration series. You don't see Lenny Henry much these days, either.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

You think they invented this?
Why would the BBC want to do that.....? I can't think of a reason. It will be reported, but it seems you don't want it to be???

No. I think they were implementing lazy journalism in echoing the racism of tabloid media.

 

[_angel_]

No. I think they were implementing lazy journalism in echoing the racism of tabloid media.

See I could understand it if it WAS the tabloids you were talking about or even the press in general. But the BBC are scared of anything that might get them labelled "racist". Something that actually happened was being reported but you don't seem to want to hear about it.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

See I could understand it if it WAS the tabloids you were talking about or even the press in general. But the BBC are scared of anything that might get them labelled "racist". Something that actually happened was being reported but you don't seem to want to hear about it.

Why do you keep saying that I 'don't want to hear about it'? I don't accept for a second that the BBC are neutral on anything. They operate in an environment in which the social mood is one of accepting racist undertones without question. That is the subject of this thread.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

If I preferred to ignore it I wouldn't have started the thread. I don't, however, trust what I read or see in the news.

What do you trust?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

What do you trust?

Methodologically sound studies.

 

[_angel_]

Because you're complaining about it. Because, in this instance it appears that groups of (mainly) Asian men are targeting (mainly) non Asian girls. Which isn't to say that abuse doesn't happen vice versa or Asian girls never get abused, but probably more in a different behind closed doors setting (like most sexual abuse). This is notable because it's classic "stranger danger" and happening more 'in public'.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Here, btw, is the methodologically unsound study that these stories seem to be based on.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/ceop_thematic_assessment_executive_summary.pdf

Caution should be taken in drawing conclusions about ethnicity due to the relatively small number of areas where
agencies have been proactive around this particular type of crime. We do not draw national conclusions about ethnicity
from the data available at this time because it is too inconsistent.

Of course, none of these nuances get into the reporting of these findings in the press.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Because you're complaining about it. Because, in this instance it appears that groups of (mainly) Asian men are targeting (mainly) non Asian girls. Which isn't to say that abuse doesn't happen vice versa or Asian girls never get abused, but probably more in a different behind closed doors setting (like most sexual abuse). This is notable because it's classic "stranger danger" and happening more 'in public'.

You admit yourself that you do not know the actual figures involved. Neither did I, which is why I asked the question. Instead of an answer that involved hard facts, I get accusations of wanting to 'ignore' the situation - a situation which you are yet to prove is actually the case.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

Methodologically sound studies.

I hate to say it, but that's a pretty narrow view of what is and isnt reliable information. And presumably, the BBC is reporting a disturbing trend observed by unbiased organisations collecting meaningful statistics on child abuse and race? There have been independent charities talking about this recently, iirc. Specifically the thing angel mentioned about Asian men grooming (mostly) white teenage girls. They dont just pull this information out of their bums - they collect reports from police, social services etc and observe and report on worrying trends...

 

[_angel_]

Didn't you just say yourself people had been convicted already and yet you're asking me to prove that it happened?

 

[Jon-of-arc]

Here, btw, is the methodologically unsound study that these stories seem to be based on.

http://www.ceop.police.uk/Documents/ceopdocs/ceop_thematic_assessment_executive_summary.pdf

Of course, none of these nuances get into the reporting of these findings in the press.

Got that in none PDF?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I hate to say it, but that's a pretty narrow view of what is and isnt reliable information. And presumably, the BBC is reporting a disturbing trend observed by unbiased organisations collecting meaningful statistics on child abuse and race? There have been independent charities talking about this recently, iirc. Specifically the thing angel mentioned about Asian men grooming (mostly) white teenage girls. They dont just pull this information out of their bums - they collect reports from police, social services etc and observe and report on worrying trends...

It's not a narrow view. It's about as broad as it gets without having to include second hand reporting of these findings in the press.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Didn't you just say yourself people had been convicted already and yet you're asking me to prove that it happened?

I'm not denying that Asian people abuse children. I'm questioning the inference that this crime is perpetrated primarily by Asian people.