Socialist Equality Party??
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Fullyplumped
in a personal capacity
As I understand it, and unlike every other ultra left political party, the Socialist Equality Party is a political party of and for the working class. They seek not to reform capitalism, but to create a socialist, democratic and egalitarian society through the establishment of a workers’ government and the revolutionary transformation of world economy. They seek to unify workers in Britain and internationally in the common struggle for socialism — that is, for equality and the rational and democratic utilisation of the wealth of the planet.
So I've been told, anyway.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
WRP rump. Nutters. Avoid.
Meeting
He invited me to a meeting but I was gonna go to a meeting of the Transition Towns movement (then got home and remembered the leaders debates were on).
Their parliamentary candidate for Manchester Central is coming to the Quaker Meeting House in central Mcr (I think next week) so I might possibly go and see what he has to say.
I told this bloke from the SEP that I was planning on voting for the TUSC and he said they were just Labour hacks. I still plan to vote TUSC because although they might possibly be Labourites their policies are good and I want to support a positive programme.
Are SEP a revolutionary party. I am not sure I believe in political violence (by state or non state actors) although possibly it is sometimes justified/neccesary
On a side point I am thinking about setting up a meeting to explore a tenants group in my block of flats. Might also join the IWW if I get round to it.
He invited me to a meeting but I was gonna go to a meeting of the Transition Towns movement (then got home and remembered the leaders debates were on).
Their parliamentary candidate for Manchester Central is coming to the Quaker Meeting House in central Mcr (I think next week) so I might possibly go and see what he has to say.
I told this bloke from the SEP that I was planning on voting for the TUSC and he said they were just Labour hacks. I still plan to vote TUSC because although they might possibly be Labourites their policies are good and I want to support a positive programme.
Are SEP a revolutionary party. I am not sure I believe in political violence (by state or non state actors) although possibly it is sometimes justified/neccesary
On a side point I am thinking about setting up a meeting to explore a tenants group in my block of flats. Might also join the IWW if I get round to it.
I did feel he was talking at me. I also felt a bit anxious talking about politics as I had in my mind how my every political post is taken apart systematically by the likes of butchersapron. I just mumbled something about not being fully informed about history and it all being very complicated and difficult.
dennisr
the acceptable face
Nah, Join em Shevek - They'll love you
Do you think so?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
When he was in our area a friend of mine asked them what they were about.
"We're about standing up for local people!"
"Really?" said my mate. I know the Green candidate is local, so what's that street called over there? What are the primary schools in this area?
Cue much hilarity. Maybe not fair for a constituency candidate but no one on the left/green/anarcho spectrum in the city that I know has heard of him.
I'm told SRP are splitters from WRP.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
SLP and WRP are also standing in Manc Central IIRC.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
SEP are one of the remnants of the WRP. Almost exclusively based in Yorkshire. Used to be known as the International Communist Party. Never came across in activity, only occassionaly saw their paper via various trainspotters. All of the WRP fragments are probably best avoided (though the old Workers Press people I met were ok). These especially. No real political activity or strategy, more than a bit cult like and decidedly weird.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
stay away from strange men and non online grooming
dennisr
the acceptable face
oh yes
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Best part of twenty years ago I met some of them outside the Bank of Ireland in Dublin. What they were doing over here I've no idea, as their candidate in the Euro elections wasn't on any Irish ballot paper that I know of (I don't think they have an Irish section, do they?). Anyway, they seemed decent enough, and they didn't try to groom me for membership (maybe they didn't think I was good human material). It seemed basically like an OAPs (did I mention they were all very old) day out.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think you're all overlooking the fact that they're the rightful UK representatives of the leadership of the world socialist movement, the Fourth International founded by Leon Trotsky in 1938.
dennisr
the acceptable face
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
And I thought I'd opened up a can of worms on the Wales thread; would the true inheritors of Trotsky's mantle please step forward and form an oderly que.
Cheers - Lous MacNeice
When i was in college there was a youngish guy in the SEP who was so aggressive in his politics you just kept away from him,(though perhaps surprisingly the women didn't!) hadn't seen him for nearly 18 years: then Monday i went to a meeting about the Spirit Level book and Inequality, went the loo,then as i came back into the foyer, lo and behold,i heard the same boorish and aggressive voice, he was haranging the main speaker, Kate Pickett, yes, it was him, took me back it did...
JHE
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Shrek had a trilemma:
Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation...
Then it got worse:
Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect...
Coming soon:
Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party....
It's not always easy making up your mind
Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation...
Then it got worse:
Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect...
Coming soon:
Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party or Greenies or Lib Dems or Anarchist Federation or Healyite Sect or Monster Raving Loonies or Natural Law Party or Conservative and Unionist Party....
It's not always easy making up your mind
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
I thought Socialist Resistance were the incarnation of 4th International. It's very confusing. Is it time for a 5th International. How would you feel about getting one going Butchers?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Given there are at least 9 4th Internationals i think we can forgive the confusion.
JHE
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There are at least two 5th Internationals in the offing.
A proper Trot one: http://www.fifthinternational.org/
That Hugo Chávez is trying to set up another.
Shrek should start a Seventh International.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Hurrah - authoritarian war criminal banker puppet apologists for global revolution! It's too exiting.
audiotech
wav, aiff, mp3, ogg, flac
Thiose members of the ICP I met were pretty reasonable. Although on a march in support of sacked miners one of their young over zealous members tried to kick me off the march, saying it "was our march". I replied I thought it was a march in support of miners. A leading cadre came up told the young zealot to get a grip and apologised to me for the hassle and said you're welcome to march with us.
The WRP were a sight to behold on those People's Marches for Jobs in the early 1980s, marching in a large tight-knit group, chanting in unison, each with their own personal red flag. Seeing them made you feel like you were in one of those countries where things happen and the revolutionaries don't just go home for their tea.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Fucking. Hell.
Apologies for being boring but......
I find these sort of threads a bit frustrating - if you really want to find out about a group, you could amongst other things, read their press, go to their meetings or for the more old fashioned on Urban75 write to them. The only thing you'll learn about the Spartacists, SEP or whoever on here is that they are 'mad', 'splitters, a sect, nutters, some of them are 'nice', etc. - depending on who is writing the post. All of which echoes much of what the ruling class say about groups & individuals who aren't 'on message'.
None of these groups are mad, or for that matter a 'cult' in the accepted sense of the world - neither the Sparts or the SEP lock up their members people can and do very regularly leave. Rather, they all have their 'take' on the world which you can agree or disagree with. This doesn't mean that I have some democratic view of 'ideas' - all 'ideas' are not equal, some are wrong, and others downright dangerous - but you don't convince others by calling them 'nutters' you need to try and engage with them, don't you?
If you don't want to - why bother engaging with members of groups at all - afterall the vast majority of people don't.
Oh, and the SEP members I have met and discussed with - at the Sheffield No War but The Class War group in the early 00s & at a David North meeting in London last December - have been really 'nice'. Trotskyists are people too
I find these sort of threads a bit frustrating - if you really want to find out about a group, you could amongst other things, read their press, go to their meetings or for the more old fashioned on Urban75 write to them. The only thing you'll learn about the Spartacists, SEP or whoever on here is that they are 'mad', 'splitters, a sect, nutters, some of them are 'nice', etc. - depending on who is writing the post. All of which echoes much of what the ruling class say about groups & individuals who aren't 'on message'.
None of these groups are mad, or for that matter a 'cult' in the accepted sense of the world - neither the Sparts or the SEP lock up their members people can and do very regularly leave. Rather, they all have their 'take' on the world which you can agree or disagree with. This doesn't mean that I have some democratic view of 'ideas' - all 'ideas' are not equal, some are wrong, and others downright dangerous - but you don't convince others by calling them 'nutters' you need to try and engage with them, don't you?
If you don't want to - why bother engaging with members of groups at all - afterall the vast majority of people don't.
Oh, and the SEP members I have met and discussed with - at the Sheffield No War but The Class War group in the early 00s & at a David North meeting in London last December - have been really 'nice'. Trotskyists are people too
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