Scottish independence - as an Englishman, am I "wrong" not to give a crap?

[ca-nami]

Right and wrong don't exist, as all know.

However, despite people saying "we need to keep the Union!" and "We're stronger together!" and other such crap, does it matter if Scotland becomes a sovereign state?

I personally don't believe it does, since England is the reason why the UK is still a world power. Whenever Cameron talks of "our economy is the 6th largest and this is something we can all be proud of", er.. where exactly is that "economy" generated? it's not Scotland...

 

[8ball]

I personally don't believe it does, since England is the reason why the UK is still a world power. Whenever Cameron talks of "our economy is the 6th largest and this is something we can all be proud of", er.. where exactly is that "economy" generated? it's not Scotland...

But do you want your dynamic English economy to be held back by them malingering Jocks?

 

[ca-nami]

er.. no. This is the point, let them have independence.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

Would probably mean we're stuck with the Torries for even longer.

But no, I don't have feeling on the matter either way, I don't live there.

 

[geminisnake]

Don't feed the troll!

 

[ca-nami]

Would probably mean we're stuck with the Torries for even longer.

But no, I don't have feeling on the matter either way, I don't live there.

And Labour "we caused the recession" and "we had an evil man as PM from 97-07" would be any better?

 

[geminisnake]

Would probably mean we're stuck with the Torries for even longer.

FFS!!!! How many times do danny and I have to link to the wiki page that fucking PROVES this is a myth???

 

[DotCommunist]

the only reason we get to pretend to be a world power is so we're an extra US vote in the UN security council, nothing more.

 

[ca-nami]

Don't feed the troll!

i'm a troll since I voice an opinion? OK lol..

 

[8ball]

FFS!!!! How many times do danny and I have to link to the wiki page that fucking PROVES this is a myth???

Are you a time traveller?

 

[Nylock]

An op argument based on English exceptionalism... this thread is going places

 

[UnderOpenSky]

FFS!!!! How many times do danny and I have to link to the wiki page that fucking PROVES this is a myth???

I must have missed that memo.

 

[Teaboy]

I find it fascinating and whatever the outcome its going to be an historic event, but no I have no great desire for one particular outcome.

 

[ca-nami]

An op argument based on English exceptionalism... this thread is going places

I simply don't care about the issue. Is this wrong to state, or is there a reason I must care?

 

[Nylock]

I simply don't care about the issue. Is this wrong to state, or is there a reason I must care?

my comment was in response to your 'thanks to England rah rah' bullshit. If you genuinely don't care, why bring that one up? Oh, and btw, England and Scotland aren't the only countries in the union...

 

[ca-nami]

my comment was in response to your 'thanks to England rah rah' bullshit. If you genuinely don't care, why bring that one up? Oh, and btw, England and Scotland aren't the only countries in the union...

I don't care. is there a reason I must?

 

[MrSki]

I simply don't care about the issue. Is this wrong to state, or is there a reason I must care?

You don't care that much that you start a thread about it?

 

[ca-nami]

You don't care that much that you start a thread about it?

er... what?

 

[8ball]

Can I change the answer I gave on the 'smacking kids' thread?

 

[geminisnake]

I must have missed that memo.

I went and found it, but only coz I like you

danny's post from the indy thread in the Scotland/Alba forum.

That's not true, though, as has been pointed out several times during the thread. The thing to remember is that Scotland only returns a tiny proportion of the UK's MPs; in 2015, the number of Scottish MPs will be 52 out of 600. That's 8.66%. And although Scotland only returned one Tory last time, not all of its other MPs are Labour: there are also SNP and Lib Dems. Indeed, those Lib Dems actually contributed to putting David Cameron into number 10 last time.

When Blair came to power in 1997, his majority was 179. Without Scottish MPs he'd still have had his majority (even if all of Scotland’s MPs were Labour, which they weren't).

Here are the stats again:

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/

 

[geminisnake]

i'm a troll since I voice an opinion? OK lol..

Ok, you might not be a troll but you really should go and look and see where the economy figures come from because it's not all England in any way.

 

[ca-nami]

Ok, you might not be a troll but you really should go and look and see where the economy figures come from because it's not all England in any way.

lulz.. I don't care again.

 

[UnderOpenSky]

I went and found it, but only coz I like you

danny's post from the indy thread in the Scotland/Alba forum.

That's not true, though, as has been pointed out several times during the thread. The thing to remember is that Scotland only returns a tiny proportion of the UK's MPs; in 2015, the number of Scottish MPs will be 52 out of 600. That's 8.66%. And although Scotland only returned one Tory last time, not all of its other MPs are Labour: there are also SNP and Lib Dems. Indeed, those Lib Dems actually contributed to putting David Cameron into number 10 last time.

When Blair came to power in 1997, his majority was 179. Without Scottish MPs he'd still have had his majority (even if all of Scotland’s MPs were Labour, which they weren't).

Here are the stats again:

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/

Thank you

 

[krtek a houby]

It would be nice to see Scotland independent; I just hope that it doesn't descend into worse variants of sectarian hatreds that we have seen in the 6 counties/NI.

 

[J Ed]

It's not that I don't care it's just that I can see the upside of both outcomes.

I feel sorry for the Scots being saddled with the Tories that we vote in and I'd be happy to see them get away from that but at the same time if they choose to stay in the union I appreciate their contribution to a slightly less Tory dominated parliament.

 

[butchersapron]

Right and wrong don't exist, as all know.

However, despite people saying "we need to keep the Union!" and "We're stronger together!" and other such crap, does it matter if Scotland becomes a sovereign state?

I personally don't believe it does, since England is the reason why the UK is still a world power. Whenever Cameron talks of "our economy is the 6th largest and this is something we can all be proud of", er.. where exactly is that "economy" generated? it's not Scotland...

You are not an englishman. You're pretty clearly an american.

 

[ca-nami]

er.. yes, I've lived in the US for ten years. And?

 

[Nylock]

lulz.. I don't care again.

cool story bro!

 

[butchersapron]

er.. yes, I've lived in the US for ten years. And?

Bingo!

 

[krtek a houby]

er.. yes, I've lived in the US for ten years. And?

So, it doesn't impact on you whether or not Scotland stays or goes? But on another thread you are anxious that "we" leave the EU... hmmm.