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Starry Wisdom
consult a solicitor before taking any irrevocable steps. imo the likely reason hmrc backed off was cost of legal action. you can't sue chris smith *personally* as he is not the body you wish recompense from.
Moorland - how unsympathetic am I allowed to be?
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gosub
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If you were after the money go after the agency, if you are after revenge against the person who destroyed your life go after the person. EA or which ever body will probably cover the persons legal costs though.
Obviously consult legal advice first. Would guess at the time we were using either Linklaters or Goldsteins can't remember which.
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butchersapron
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Historically moor/marsh/(heath too) meant the same thing (or very very similar) - old english mor is where the use in somerset came from. So in short, because it's moorland.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Three tory seats/two UKIP/1 lib-dem.
Here is a map of the UKIP vote last time:
The lighter pink bits just above cornwall is where the flooding is (roughly). They're going to mop up (hur hur).
ChrisD
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Here's the experts who imo know a bit more about hydrology than politicians do......
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-somerset-flooding/
"...I have lectured in hydraulic engineering (in civil engineering) at three universities for over 35 years and have been involved in many environmental impact assessment studies worldwide. Furthermore I am currently President of the International Association of Hydro-environment Engineering and Research. And regrettably I cannot see that dredging would make much impact in alleviating the problems in the Somerset Levels."
http://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-somerset-flooding/
"...I have lectured in hydraulic engineering (in civil engineering) at three universities for over 35 years and have been involved in many environmental impact assessment studies worldwide. Furthermore I am currently President of the International Association of Hydro-environment Engineering and Research. And regrettably I cannot see that dredging would make much impact in alleviating the problems in the Somerset Levels."
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Three tory seats/two UKIP/1 lib-dem.
Here is a map of the UKIP vote last time:
The lighter pink bits just above cornwall is where the flooding is (roughly). They're going to mop up (hur hur).
I wonder if the Cornish UKIP voters know how much money cornwall gets from the EU via its regional development fund? 458 million euros in the last seven years.
Anyone would think that UKIP voters were ignorant or something.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How many UKIP they voted into parliament? Maybe the cornish electorate are being a little but more nuanced than you realise.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Nuance sounds like a French word to me. It's got no business coming over here and telling me how to vote.
ChrisD
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Just had a look at the planning approval for the house shown in lots of photos with new bund around it..... It's Sedgemoor Planning Application Number: 37/07/00087.
It was a replacement dwelling and therefore difficult to refuse on planning grounds. However anyone spending £1million of their own money in such a location imo deserves less sympathy than those born in nearby village.
The flood risk assessment submitted in 2007 for the application showed it to be at risk:
It was a replacement dwelling and therefore difficult to refuse on planning grounds. However anyone spending £1million of their own money in such a location imo deserves less sympathy than those born in nearby village.
The flood risk assessment submitted in 2007 for the application showed it to be at risk:
gosub
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But he said on the news that the property had never been flooded before and how it was all the Environment Agency's fault that his house was in danger.
I think his current anger with the EA came from them telling him you can't build your own bund the paperwork will take at least six weeks
The house was 18 months old. He had loads of time to sort it out.
gosub
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especially if you reduce the flood prevention going on. Granted with this bloke the house is newer than the maps so he should have checked but for the older houses changing the work done and producing a map saying this lot will flood, and then having Lord Smith almost blaming people for living there as he pretty much did is pretty much out of the Vogon play book.
A warning to Londoners if someone from Somerset ends up in charge of the EA don't get too upset if the Thames barrier doesn't get oiled for ten years and then blames you for living there, should anything untoward happen
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gosub
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I refer you to your previous post, the spot had never (in living memory) flooded before
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
A lot of this is just anti-somerset stuff. Let's be honest.
Yes but on his own planning application this location is clearly marked as being in a high-risk flood zone.
So it's not like he didn't know what could happen.
ChrisD
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Quick - get your applications in today.....interviews are 7th April.
http://publicappointments.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/applications/52b056ede4b0b78df17561be
"Vacancy Description
As Chairman, you will provide overall leadership and strategic vision for the Board of the Environment Agency, which delivers Government policy for protecting and enhancing the environment in England."
gosub
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Think his original application he did want to build on a raised plinth was declined for aesthetic reasons, probably would have done the same with his bund, there are better cases than this bloke but as a millionaire property developer I'm guessing some of his buyers are equally having problems does him no harm to be seen to be going through it as well.
The bloke and dad with the bucket on the news, on the Thames outside the his first home he had taken possession of last week, heartbreaking, and you know there was someone watching going thank fuck..
Something which I am in favour of when it comes to neighbourly tiffs but which I am vehemently against when it comes from elsewhere.
So stop being dicks about it everyone, Somerset deserves our support
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
The rich'll have a spare house or two to choose from.
It is apparent that the wealthy will make a lot more noise in the event of any crisis, probably because they're more used to people responding to their braying. That and the media bias towards events in the south means that you will here more about flooding if it hits areas like that than anywhere else. Something Will Have To Be Done.
For perspective, in 2007 over 27,000 homes flooded in Yorkshire (mainly Hull) and we didn't get anything like this sort of noise. People were still living out of static caravans three years later. Nobody said 'money is no object' then.
I did some of the post-flooding surveys in North Yorkshire around 2000 (Malton, Pickering and thereabouts) and it was heartbreaking, people with no insurance (which seemed to be mainly pensioners) with tidemarked furniture put back on bare floorboards, carpets in the skip outside, remaining stoical.
Everyone you spoke to then had conspiracy theories about landowners up on the moor no longer cleaning out their ditches, about water suddenly coming down the road in a torrent like someone had suddenly opened a sluice or a gate. I think there was a motive to have something or someone tangible to blame, it wasn't enough that it had just fucked it down with rain. I think there's similar stuff going on in people's heads with the latest inundations.
The radio commentary vox pop stuff seems to be a bit more balanced. Or at least, less focussed on the richer denizens. There being no opportunity to show tractors and big posh houses. Of course the media stil want an angle. Endless first hand stories of regular people having their homes ruined and the resultant chaos don't make good copy. So you get the 92 YO guy who's been rescued but is remarkably stoiacle and quite charmingly understated. The crying mum of 3 (you only need one to make the point.) Then it's back to the studio.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
I've looked into this in a lot of detail now, and there is a hell of a lot of truth to what the locals are saying, the evidence is all there in various EA reports.
IMO the Environment Agency should be in court over this, they've deliberately allowed much of the levels to become at far greater risk of extreme flooding for ideological reasons / false financial arguments / a complete misunderstanding of hydrological processes. It's also bollocks to say this is due to lack of money, the EA employ a vast army of people on extremely good salaries, mostly to sit around in offices writing reports while front line staff and actual flood prevention budgets are relentlessly cut. The EA get's about 4-5 time the funding of equivalent agencies in most of Europe, it just pisses most of it up the wall.
Will post more when I've got more time.
gosub
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good piece on the headaches involved with dredging. BWB is now defunct, and handled canals etc but the same rules apply
eta and another: http://www.european-dredging.eu/pdf/EULawOnDredging.pdf
eta and another: http://www.european-dredging.eu/pdf/EULawOnDredging.pdf
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
out of curiosity it would be nice to see you substantiate these claims.
The BBC News just took a motor boat up the bit of the Thames that is flooded: heartbreaking, lots of the people on the banks whose houses were being submerged didn't seem particularly well off , just fulfilling their dream of living by a river, many being pensioners, anyway, it seemed awful, lots of properties were clearly abandoned.
just as a point of interest, The Science Media Centre is run by key members of Spiked/Living Marxism/RCP, its director being Fiona Fox, and funded by numerous multi-nationals.
note to Ed, this is fact not supposition
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free spirit
more tea vicar?
will do, just need to find a few hours to collate it all coherently, and I'm massively behind with actual work for actual paying customers who seem to be quite insistent on wanting work done for some reason.
ps it relates to the somerset levels only, not particularly sure there was much could be done with the Thames flooding, that's really a different situation entirely I think.
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