Just found out a guy who works for me is being a git

[Pingu]

just had one of the people who works for me ask for a call this evening.

long and short of it is one of the other guys lets call him "stupid", who is new to the company has some "attitude issues" wrt women. Apparently he seems to think they (women that is) are subservient to him (as a male) and this has caused all sorts of jolly goings on today...

so 20:00 hours this evening should make my life more interesting for a bit...

 

[geminisnake]

Sounds like a dick. Sort him out Pingu!!

 

[Firky]

 

[equationgirl]

just had one of the people who works for me ask for a call this evening.

long and short of it is one of the other guys lets call him "stupid", who is new to the company has some "attitude issues" wrt women. Apparently he seems to think they (women that is) are subservient to him (as a male) and this has caused all sorts of jolly goings on today...

so 20:00 hours this evening should make my life more interesting for a bit...

He sounds completely delightful. But if he's within a probation period and doesn't improve, it might be best to part ways with him. The workplace needs fewer misogynistic twats not more

 

[Jon-of-arc]

He sounds completely delightful. But if he's within a probation period and doesn't improve, it might be best to part ways with him. The workplace needs fewer misogynistic twats not more

Yeah, sack the bastard. No trial, no investigation, no hearing. Show him this thread and let him know the u75 committee on political correctness has spoken.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but surely give the guy a chance to explain himself, a firm talking to, and a word of warning that he's on your radar?

Sounds like he's probably in violation of the "don't be a (sexist) dick" rule, but surely even sexist dicks deserve the right to be heard out, and given a chance to mend their dickish ways. He might need the job. He might have family to support. I'm not remotely in favour of sacking him outright. That would be the mark of a shit boss, someone who can't deal constructively with "interpersonal conflicts" within their team.

Please don't think I'm apologising for any sexism, or denying that it happened, but surely this board stands something other than sacking people based on here say?

 

[equationgirl]

Yeah, sack the bastard. No trial, no investigation, no hearing. Show him this thread and let him know the u75 committee on political correctness has spoken.

Sorry for the sarcasm, but surely give the guy a chance to explain himself, a firm talking to, and a word of warning that he's on your radar?

Sounds like he's probably in violation of the "don't be a (sexist) dick" rule, but surely even sexist dicks deserve the right to be heard out, and given a chance to mend their dickish ways. He might need the job. He might have family to support. I'm not remotely in favour of sacking him outright. That would be the mark of a shit boss, someone who can't deal constructively with "interpersonal conflicts" within their team.

Please don't think I'm apologising for any sexism, or denying that it happened, but surely this board stands something other than sacking people based on here say?

If you read my post you would see that I said 'if he doesn't improve'. I did not call for an immediate sacking. It's not about being political correctness, it's about disrupting an existing team dynamic to such an extent that normal work clearly couldn't proceed.

This board stands for fairness and equality. Thinking someone is subservient because they happen to be a different gender is neither fair nor equal.

 

[Jon-of-arc]

If you read my post you would see that I said 'if he doesn't improve'. I did not call for an immediate sacking. It's not about being political correctness, it's about disrupting an existing team dynamic to such an extent that normal work clearly couldn't proceed.

This board stands for fairness and equality. Thinking someone is subservient because they happen to be a different gender is neither fair nor equal.

Fair enough. Missed the "if he doesn't improve" bit. Apologies for being snappy, but it seemed like someone had said "sack him" and two other people had liked the post.

 

[equationgirl]

Fair enough. Missed the "if he doesn't improve" bit. Apologies for being snappy, but it seemed like someone had said "sack him" and two other people had liked the post.

No problem. The people liking the post would have kicked my arse if I'd said get rid without a hearing

 

[friedaweed]

Just popping out to Tesco for the popcorn but my deck chair's in the garage so I'm afraid the sofa will have to do.

So is 20.00 hrs when Pingu's actually calling Keith Lemon or is that when Germaine Greer's popping in on him?

I loves a good trial by Urban on a Tuesday night me

 

[equationgirl]

Just popping out to Tesco for the popcorn but my deck chair's in the garage so I'm afraid the sofa will have to do.

So is 20.00 hrs when Pingu's actually calling Keith Lemon or is that when Germaine Greer's popping in on him?

I loves a good trial by Urban on a Tuesday night me

I think Keith's calling Pingu, but Germaine will listen on the speakerphone with a copy of 'The female eunuch' to hand

 

[Pingu]

T -35 and counting...

maybe I will put the facts of the issue before the learned members of urban (names changed ofc) and let the urban council decide the guys fate.

there is actually a twist in this that I haven't mentioned already (as to me its something that shouldn't come into play - the behaviour is what I will look at.. nothing else unless it turns out there is a medical or other condition that needs taking into account) but it will be interesting to see urbans take on it...

I am a fair penguin but will be interested to see what you lot make of it.

 

[Pingu]

 

[equationgirl]

I look forward to receiving the facts of the case, Mr Penguin.

 

[Pingu]

obv by facts I mean the one side of the story I will get tonight. having said this the person tonight is level headed and generally really easy going so it must have been bad for them to feel they needed to bring it up with me

 

[equationgirl]

Best of luck Pingu

 

[Pingu]

oooooooh

spin spin spin the wheel of justice.... see how fast the bastard turns...

 

[Belushi]

Can we see a photo of the miscreant? I like to make snap judgements on looks alone.

 

[High Voltage]

So. Is he sacked yet? [8.04]

 

[Pickman's model]

Sack him, Pingu, and sack Jon-of-arc while you're about it

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

just had one of the people who works for me ask for a call this evening..

I don't understand what this means.

 

[ddraig]

I don't understand what this means.

a call outside of work to discuss issues
cmon jc

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

a call outside if work to discuss issues
cmon jc

Oh. Ask for a call as in ' would you please call me tonight?' The phrasing is just not one I'm used to.

 

[baldrick]

you should blog the conversation as it happens.

 

[friedaweed]

I'm so excited I could pee

 

[mrs quoad]

I'm so excited I could pee

Have you peed yet?

e2a: I feel as if that should be pee-ed. Peeed.

 

[equationgirl]

I'm so excited I could pee

It is a little bit intriguing.

Pingu should have live tweeted the conversation (not really, obviously)

 

[equationgirl]

Can we see a photo of the miscreant? I like to make snap judgements on looks alone.

Including fashion sense and grooming?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

e2a: I feel as if that should be pee-ed. Peeed.

No doubt there will be someone out there who will oblige you.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It is a little bit intriguing.

Pingu should have live tweeted the conversation (not really, obviously)

See, if this was the US, we'd be worried that the unhappy employee has gone postal at this point.

 

[Pingu]

oooook...

erm....

shit.

reet. this side of the, I would love to say incident but its incidents, can be summarised as follows:

" Mr stupid" for that is what we shall continue to call him seems to think that by nature of him being male he is innately superior to women in general... and to one woman in particular - who just so happens to be the clients team leader for the team he is in.

today he made a comment to another one of our people that a woman should not be in charge of men.. its not natural. This was overheard by a member of the clients development team. this then found its way back to the team lead - lets call her "Ms angry and pissed off". It further transpires that "Mr stupid" has not followed several of her directions as he does not feel he should be taking instructions from her...

This has, up to now, been managed by the onsite team we have but this has now gone far beyond what they should be dealing with.

Now this guy is seconded from our Indian company so I need to be aware that there is possibly a cultural angle to this and not just "this guy is a total dick" so it may be able to be handled with some education. But his time on that client site is now over, I will be pulling him off site as per the clients request (which I will be getting tomorrow) and we will need to see what we can do about the attitude and if we can subsequently place him elsewhere or if he should be RTU'd

I will of course speak with him and get his side of things but if the client doesn't want him onsite then irrespective of anything else he is through on that site.