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Listening to radio 4 'Today in Parliament' I heard the following from Lord Gilbert in the debate "China: Multilateral Nuclear Disarmament."

Words (almost) fail me:mad:

Lord Gilbert:

I want to say one thing to your Lordships on the subject of deterrence. I believe in deterrence absolutely fundamentally. I believe it not only in nuclear weapons but I believe it in other weapons systems—some of which we have abandoned. I can remember once being at some seminar and a very distinguished, international civil servant—for the life of me I cannot remember who it was—saying that it was very difficult to explain to people the principle of deterrence. I said that it was very easy to explain the principle of deterrence. Every one of my constituents understood it. You only had to go around a council estate and see the sign on the side door: “Beware of the dog”. This is what deterrence is all about.
However, there are various areas of deterrence where we have been very unimaginative up to now. If your Lordships will forgive a personal reminiscence, I shall never forget when, a few years ago, I sailed across the Straits of Magellan from north to south in a normal ferry towards the eastern end and, as one came up to the southern shore of the straits, there were slopes, not cliffs, and, on both sides of the ferry terminal, there was a big sign: “Illegal. Zona me Nada”. Everybody knew what this meant. It was a very good deterrent, saying: “Don’t come here. You’re in danger of being killed”. There were mines, which was excellent. You often see outside sensitive military establishments in America the words, “Do not enter. You might be killed” or “shot dead”—I forget the exact terms used—making it absolutely clear that, if you go where you should not go, you are liable to be shot.
I am fully in favour of that sort of open deterrence where people know. It is a way of saving life rather than anything else. In this context I draw your Lordships’ attention to what used to be called the neutron bomb. It is a very misleading description. It was not necessary a bomb. It was a warhead that could be attached to a torpedo or a missile. The main thing was that it was not a standard nuclear warhead. Its full title was the ERRB—enhanced radiation reduced blast weapon. I can think of many uses for it in this day and age. It is something that we could go and talk to the Chinese about. Building on the example that I just gave your Lordships about the Straits of Magellan, you could use an enhanced radiation reduced blast warhead to create cordons sanitaire along various borders where people are causing trouble.
I will give an example. Your Lordships may say that this is impractical, but nobody lives up in the mountains on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan except for a few goats and a handful of people herding them. If you told them that some ERRB warheads were going to be dropped there and that it would be a very unpleasant place to go, they would not go there. You would greatly reduce your problem of protecting those borders from infiltration from one side or another. These things are not talked about, but they should be, because there are great possibilities for deterrence in using the weapons that we already have in that respect.




The full debate is here: http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/lords/todays-lords-debates/read/unknown/400/
 
It is true though, you do see signs in America that say things like ¨Do NOT go any further, you may be KILLED.¨ That one´s verbatim.
 
Apparently he has long been rather into nuclear stuff. I have only just begun to look at him, but to me surprise his rather relaxed attitude towards nuclear bombs did actually result in him saying something that had at least an aspect of truth to it in January:


Addressing the Lords on 24 January 2012, he said: "We ought to realise that when we are dealing with these Iranians we are dealing with people who deal in braggadocio, who say things they don't mean but sound great on television for local consumption.
"I think we should just calm down, let them get on with it and waste their money."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_lords/newsid_9685000/9685471.stm
 
ERRBs had one use and one real use only utterly fucking up mass tank armys thats why the Soviet Union put such effort into getting them outlawed.
Nuking random parts of pakistan is rather bonkersand I,m me :)
 
Hes actually a labour peer which is a bit hmmm.
But then again he was involved with mod procurment that would be enough to drive anyone to drink and with a subsidised bar well the rest is obvious :(

Nurse pills :)
 
At least he's not been on the coke...

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Because Labour have never ever sent troops anywhere except on behalf of the UN.... :hmm:
Er no because it was Batshit crazy you'd presume to come from some gin sozzled backwoodsman tory rather than somebody who'd actually got elected :)

See sterotypes can bite you in the arse:)
 
Er no because it was Batshit crazy you'd presume to come from some gin sozzled backwoodsman tory rather than somebody who'd actually got elected :)

See sterotypes can bite you in the arse:)
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread a few years of hanging out with Tories in the free bar can go some way towards changing someone.
 
In this case all you need to do is place the gin-soaked dementia generalisations on top of a man who clearly had very pro nuclear-weapons and anti nuclear-proliferation treaty views long before he was shuffled up to the house of lords. For example he thinks that unilateral reductions in nuclear arsenal by the likes of Britain was due to people blindly following a CND agenda!
 
As well as all the obvious levels in which the old duffer seems to be demented, it's clear he doesn't know shit about neutron bombs.
 
More the fact they would be ideal for killing soviet tank formations upset the Commies. Its still a nuclear bomb so hardly going to do the neighbour hood much good.

That was the original plan, but modern tank armour is too heavy for neutron penetration iirc. I imagine the EMP would do more damage to modern military kit, though.
 
That was the original plan, but modern tank armour is too heavy for neutron penetration iirc. I imagine the EMP would do more damage to modern military kit, though.
That can be shielded against. As the USSR tanks are now scrap no point to them any more. As much as dropping them on the borders might make a fun photo op. And its totally legal as pakistian has nukes:D! Apart from irradiating an awful lot of land and drinking water
would achieve very little.
 
Yeah, EMP isn't hard to shield against, but it's very expensive to retro-fit gear that wasn't built with the shielding, and I have my doubts about a lot of the existing gear.
 
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