Henry Jackson Society

[frogwoman]

I know nino_savatte has done a bit of research into these guys, but i thought you might be interested to know spinwatch has brought out a new report about them. I've not read it yet but their stuff is usually excellent. I thought this could be a useful thread to discuss their activities.

http://www.spinwatch.org/images/Reports/HJS_spinwatch report_web_2015.pdf

 

[nino_savatte]

You go get them Commies, 'Scoop'!

The man himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_M._Jackson

He was known as "The Senator from Boeing".

 

[frogwoman]

This changed approach towards Europe was only one aspect of a harder edge that emerged
over the following years. While the thinking of the founders of the HJS had been shaped by a
number of conflicts, including Yugoslavia and Northern Ireland, support for Israel now became
the dominant strand. The society’s support for the ‘War on Terror’, though still couched in the
progressive language of liberal interventionism, brought it into closer alignment with distinctly
illiberal anti-Muslim groups.
In November 2008, the society co-hosted a panel debate entitled ‘Ending Impunity or
Decreasing Accountability: Averting Abuse of Universal Jurisdiction’, which was addressed over a
video link by Major General Doron Almog, the former head of the Israel Defence Forces Southern
Command.154
Almog had narrowly escaped arrest in London in 2005 under the universal jurisdiction law,
after a warrant was obtained by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, which accused him of
breaching the Fourth Geneva Convention for being the commanding officer of Israeli troops who
destroyed 59 houses in the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza in 2002, making homeless a number of
civilians including children.155

 

[frogwoman]

I didnt know that the Breivikite scumbag Daniel Pipes was involved. Did they distance themselves from him at all?

 

[frogwoman]

Hmm, bit sceptical of some of the conclusions this report is drawing

Michael Rainsborough, a professor in King’s College London’s war studies department
who writes under the pen name M L R Smith and has co-authored with colleague Peter
Neumann of the Kings' International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation a research
grouping funded by Edward Atkin, also a funder of the HJS.192

I dunno what this means, seems shoddily edited and I'd say that from all the stuff i've read/listened to by Neumann I dont think he is any sort of breivikite. He comes across as a centrist liberal more than anything and he's said stuff in lectures i've heard criticising the gov't's/european anti terror/war policy. I dont think writing a report with him makes you a scumbag. Come up with something better.

Elizabeth Apfel (neé Jay), a former spokesperson for the Community Security Trust, which,
on occasion, conflates anti-Zionist with anti-Semitic activity.

I have lots of criticisms of the CST and dont think it should exist at all but this is also pretty poor imo.

They're also giving far too much credence to what hoare comes up with who has virtually the same interventionist/zionist politics as HJS (except he's a bit squeamish about the anti muslim shit) i dont trust him at all, he's apologist for Tudjman era Croatia and has written articles on his blog on Tudjman himself arguing those nasty serbs were making him seem worse than he was.

 

[nino_savatte]

I didnt know that the Breivikite scumbag Daniel Pipes was involved. Did they distance themselves from him at all?

They're an incestuous bunch. His old man, Richard, was also involved.

 

[nino_savatte]

It's interesting that it was launched at Peterhouse College. Maurice Cowling, the influential Tory historian, taught there and died a year after the HJS's foundation. Portillo was under Cowling's tutelage. A proper little imperialist.

 

[nino_savatte]

There's some good stuff on Powerbase too.
http://powerbase.info/index.php/Henry_Jackson_Society

 

[frogwoman]

Just been reading the spinwatch report. Some good points and research especially about the funding but i do have some quite serious criticisms.

 

[J Ed]

There's some good stuff on Powerbase too.
http://powerbase.info/index.php/Henry_Jackson_Society

Wow that's a great resource

 

[Knotted]

Haven't read the report yet, but what's the Breivik connection?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Douglas Murray is a key spokesperson. He's on the record as supporting the CIA's post-9/11 'enhanced interrogation' program, denying that it involved systematic torture and describing waterboarding as a 'borderline legal' practice:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffee...e-ignores-the-complex-nature-of-intelligence/

 

[nino_savatte]

Wow that's a great resource

It's usually my first port of call if I need to find out about shadowy organisations, lobby groups etc. My blog was actually cited on the page about the RCP.

 

[nino_savatte]

Just been reading the spinwatch report. Some good points and research especially about the funding but i do have some quite serious criticisms.

Such as? I haven't had a chance to read all of it, btw.

 

[nino_savatte]

Hmm, bit sceptical of some of the conclusions this report is drawing



I dunno what this means, seems shoddily edited and I'd say that from all the stuff i've read/listened to by Neumann I dont think he is any sort of breivikite. He comes across as a centrist liberal more than anything and he's said stuff in lectures i've heard criticising the gov't's/european anti terror/war policy. I dont think writing a report with him makes you a scumbag. Come up with something better.



I have lots of criticisms of the CST and dont think it should exist at all but this is also pretty poor imo.

They're also giving far too much credence to what hoare comes up with who has virtually the same interventionist/zionist politics as HJS (except he's a bit squeamish about the anti muslim shit) i dont trust him at all, he's apologist for Tudjman era Croatia and has written articles on his blog on Tudjman himself arguing those nasty serbs were making him seem worse than he was.

KCL's War Studies department has produced several members of the Liberty League and Adam Smith Institute. One of those is Anton Howes.
http://www.theguardian.com/profile/howes-anton
http://antonhowes.tumblr.com/

Here he is advocating the end of the welfare state.


I had an online scrap with him and his chinless colleagues. He claimed that "left-libertarians" attended a Liberty League rally at Manchester Uni. When I pressed him on this, he blurted out Spiked Online and the Institute of Ideas as "left-libertarians". Oh, how I laughed.

 

[frogwoman]

Such as? I haven't had a chance to read all of it, btw.

See my post above. I still cant work out what that paragraph on Peter Neumman and ICSR is saying, theres a missing word and i strongly disagree that working with them would necessarily make you scum. Neumann from what ive heard and read of his is actually a critic of UK policy labelling it counterproductive.

Relying on Marko Attilo Hoare a disgruntled former member of HJS whinging about how he was pushed out, as well. The guy is a tudjman apologist ffs.

For example the bit where it's talking about extremist speakers in universities. While they've used this to pursue an extremist islamophobic agenda themselves its still the case that this has been a serious problem. I mean we had fuckin Moazzam Begg invited to our uni. And there were islamic and even christian society events in british universities where women were segregated or otherwise marginalised (one christian union event banned women from speaking for example). I dont think painting a rosy view of some of the stuff HJS was claiming to oppose helps at all.


I did think that aspects of it for example when they went into the connections with David Horowitz and Breivikites were really good, and when they talked about the structure and the funding

 

[nino_savatte]

See my post above. I still cant work out what that paragraph on Peter Neumman and ICSR is saying, theres a missing word and i strongly disagree that working with them would necessarily make you scum. Neumann from what ive heard and read of his is actually a critic of UK policy labelling it counterproductive.

Relying on Marko Attilo Hoare a disgruntled former member of HJS whinging about how he was pushed out, as well. The guy is a tudjman apologist ffs.

For example the bit where it's talking about extremist speakers in universities. While they've used this to pursue an extremist islamophobic agenda themselves its still the case that this has been a serious problem. I mean we had fuckin Moazzam Begg invited to our uni. And there were islamic and even christian society events in british universities where women were segregated or otherwise marginalised (one christian union event banned women from speaking for example). I dont think painting a rosy view of some of the stuff HJS was claiming to oppose helps at all.

Fair enough. Hoare was a signatory to the Euston Manifesto and there's some overlap between them and the HJS. Fwiw, I think Hoare's an arsehole.

Orthodox Jews also separate men and women. It's a red herring for sure.

 

[frogwoman]

Fair enough. Hoare was a signatory to the Euston Manifesto and there's some overlap between them and the HJS. Fwiw, I think Hoare's an arsehole.

Orthodox Jews also separate men and women. It's a red herring for sure.

Yep. If they wanted to go in for that they'd have pointed out their double standards on the issue between islam and say the Chabad Society imposing its rules and inviting leading zios to speak. I dont think that denying a problem with religious freaks imposing their standards in british universities or for that matter terrorist recruitment (there's been a couple daesh fighters that went to the same uni, westminster I think, and islamic society as jihadi john so obviously an issue there) is helpful to the case they're arguing

 

[frogwoman]

Fair enough. Hoare was a signatory to the Euston Manifesto and there's some overlap between them and the HJS. Fwiw, I think Hoare's an arsehole.

Orthodox Jews also separate men and women. It's a red herring for sure.

Yea half of it seems to be him whining about his treatment and stuff he disagrees with them about.

 

[frogwoman]

Fair enough. Hoare was a signatory to the Euston Manifesto and there's some overlap between them and the HJS. Fwiw, I think Hoare's an arsehole.

Orthodox Jews also separate men and women. It's a red herring for sure.

Yeah there loads of overlap in that bubble, the 'decent left' - engage, awl, left foot forward, etc as well.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yep. If they wanted to go in for that they'd have pointed out their double standards on the issue between islam and say the Chabad Society imposing its rules and inviting leading zios to speak. I dont think that denying a problem with religious freaks imposing their standards in british universities or for that matter terrorist recruitment (there's been a couple daesh fighters that went to the same uni, westminster I think, and islamic society as jihadi john so obviously an issue there) is helpful to the case they're arguing

Quite. Religious nutters are religious nutters. Some folk like to think Buddhists are harmless but they've never been to Sri Lanka or Burma.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yeah there loads of overlap in that bubble, the 'decent left' - engage, awl, left foot forward, etc as well.

Gisela Stuart too. I often wonder how she became a Labour MP, then I look at Frank Field and Liz Kendall...oy!

 

[frogwoman]

Gisela Stuart too. I often wonder how she became a Labour MP, then I look at Frank Field and Liz Kendall...oy!

Yeah, that was one of the interesting things i didnt realise she had such a connection with these loons. She openly supported the republicans in the election ffs

 

[nino_savatte]

Yeah, that was one of the interesting things i didnt realise she had such a connection with these loons. She openly supported the republicans in the election ffs

She said:

“You know where you stand with George [W. Bush] and, in today’s world, that’s much better than rudderless leaders who drift with the prevailing wind.”

Nick Cohen is another.

 

[frogwoman]

Oh god not him

 

[nino_savatte]

This Powerbase article on the Euston Manifesto is worth a read.
http://powerbase.info/index.php/Euston_Manifesto

 

[nino_savatte]

Circles within circles.

 

[Knotted]

Relying on Marko Attilo Hoare a disgruntled former member of HJS whinging about how he was pushed out, as well. The guy is a tudjman apologist ffs.

Specifically he is an apologist for the ethnic cleansing of Krajina Serbs. The conclusion section of the report is a bit stomach churning in that light as if there were a golden era of politically sound neo-conservativism.

I'm not sure the report has captured the essence of HJS and neo-conservativism. If I remember rightly they were (initially at least) enthusiastic about the Syrian armed opposition and glossed over its heavy islamist prescence. Then there is the sticky issue of how closely aligned the neo-conservatives are with Saudi foreign policy especially with respect to Iran.

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah from what I can see they were and still are obsessed with the Assad regime to the point of almost denying anything bad or even significant about any of the other forces in Syria, including ISIS but especially jabhat al nusra etc.

 

[frogwoman]

Specifically he is an apologist for the ethnic cleansing of Krajina Serbs. The conclusion section of the report is a bit stomach churning in that light as if there were a golden era of politically sound neo-conservativism.

I'm not sure the report has captured the essence of HJS and neo-conservativism. If I remember rightly they were (initially at least) enthusiastic about the Syrian armed opposition and glossed over its heavy islamist prescence. Then there is the sticky issue of how closely aligned the neo-conservatives are with Saudi foreign policy especially with respect to Iran.

Yep check out this filth:

https://greatersurbiton.wordpress.com/2009/03/06/was-franjo-tudjman-a-holocaust-denier/

Of all the revisionist myths that such radical leftists peddle about the former Yugoslavia, the myth that Tudjman was a Holocaust denier is particularly cynical: insofar as it has any origins in reality, it derives from him having said the sort of things about Jews that they do themselves.