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Guinness Trust plans for Loughborough Park Estate

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It looks as though Lambeth's planners are recommending to councillors that the plans to completely demolish the estate should be turned down - and that Lambeth should contest any appeal by Guinness Trust.

(Can't find earlier thread about the scheme which would be 50% for sale.)

It is going to the Planning Applications Committee on Tuesday 30th May
Link to report on Lambeth web site

Will the New Labour councillors hold their nerve against lobbying by a big social landlord.

And does this have any implications for "grand plans" for replannining the wider area include the proposed Shakespeare Academy site:confused:
 
From the conclusions to the 37 page report...

7.3 Officers consider that development in the manner proposed cannot be
accommodated satisfactorily on the site. In particular it is considered that
the height, scale, massing, and general design of the development is not
commensurate with its surroundings and detracts from the general
amenity of the area.

7.4 It is further considered that the proposed development would cause
significant harm to the amenities of the occupants of both existing
neighbouring properties and proposed dwellings on site.

7.5 The loss of mature trees on Loughborough Park frontage is also
considered to be unacceptable on account of the harmful effect that
it would have on the character of the area.

7.6 With regard to the provision of affordable housing it is recognised that
the estate is in need of regeneration and that the scheme would accrue
benefits in terms of providing much needed larger and better quality
accommodation and a more mixed community in a area where social
housing predominates. On balance however the loss of 135 affordable
housing units would be unacceptable given the clear need for the
provision of affordable housing in the borough.

7.7 There are further policy conflicts with the application in the failure to
provide the required level of renewable energy on site, the failure to
provide contributions required to make the development acceptable
and insufficient information to fully assess the transport implications
of the proposal.
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So it looks as if the Guiness trust want to replace an ugly group of buildings with an uglier one. :rolleyes:
 
I did have a thread on this a while back.Nice photo LR:) .Ive just received a letter saying that Guiness Trust are lodging an appeal.I however didnt get told about this meeting:rolleyes: .I assume GT appealed when the officers said it should be refused.I believe the Labour councillors know about this.I did email them.I think the Guiness Trust residents group did as well.I think its the reduction in affordable housing that will be the issue.Its not just that theres less but that much less rented as shared ownership counts as affordable.

Another issue is that this is an historic estate.The picture is of the residents hall which will be demolished.Something that the residents dont want.If the estate does need to be demolished rather than rehabbed there is IMO no reason why the hall could not be kept as an intersting piece of architecture.
 
Guiness Trust Estate Under Threat

This is from a friend who lives in the area.

Is this in any other campaign part of the site?

With thanks
Pam

I just received a note through my door about what Guinness Trust are planning to do to the estate at the end of Somerleyton Road and I am horrified! We have until 15th June - that's next week - to object, and i am going away on Sunday, so please please tell as many local residents as you can - can someone put this on Urban75 for me, if it isn't already? They want to demolish the existing estate of 400 social homes - including the art deco residents' hall, which is used by the local community, esp. families, and will not be replaced - and build a massive tower block comprising 256 affordable homes and 244 "private" - ie for sale - flats. Moorlands Esate (my home) will be overshadowed by a huge ugly tower block which the Guiness residents don't want to have to live in; their "social housing" will be segregated from the "private" flats, creating a two-tier community. All the trees and green space on the estate will be lost. To object, 3 copies of your objections in writing must be sent to Mr Alexander O'Doherty, Planning Inspectorate, Room 4/04, Temple Quay House, 2 The Square, Temple Quay, Bristol BS1 6PN, quoting Planning Appeal no. APP/N5660/A/06/2010285/NWF. Plans can be viewed by contacting Chris Duckett on 020 7926 4056:eek:
 
Somerleyton Road's moving to the west country? Lucky buggers. I always miss out.

Where's my chuffing cider?
 
This sounds really dreadful. I thought the days of squeezing people in social housing into tower blocks were over....

But what really springs to mind is, what's going to happen to the shortfall? 400-256 leaves 144 families without homes....
 
paminbrixton said:
their "social housing" will be segregated from the "private" flats, creating a two-tier community.
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This bit, in particular, sounds very strange... what are they thinking? Is this for real? :eek:
 
gaijingirl said:
This bit, in particular, sounds very strange... what are they thinking? Is this for real? :eek:
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Social housing is often separated from private flats (and shared ownership flats) because, funnily enough, people buying privately don't want to live next to people in social housing.
 
lighterthief said:
Social housing is often separated from private flats (and shared ownership flats) because, funnily enough, people buying privately don't want to live next to people in social housing.
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Yes I can see why it might be the case, but I just think it's so so wrong - on so many levels. I naively thought that that sort of thing wouldn't happen any more. :mad: What loads of people don't realise in nice private housing is they may well be living next to someone in social housing anyway... it's not all tower blocks and estates. My family lived for 3 years in emergency housing on a very nice private road of terraced houses, all privately owned - they didn't know we were "council"... :p :D

*bee buzzes in bonnet*
 
gaijingirl said:
Yes I can see why it might be the case, but I just think it's so so wrong - on so many levels. I naively thought that that sort of thing wouldn't happen any more. :mad: What loads of people don't realise in nice private housing is they may well be living next to someone in social housing anyway... it's not all tower blocks and estates. My family lived for 3 years in emergency housing on a very nice private road of terraced houses, all privately owned - they didn't know we were "council"... :p :D

*bee buzzes in bonnet*
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Indeed. Housing associations have tried in the past to 'pepperpot' tenancies (ie place private tenants next to social housing tenants next to shared ownership tenants etc) and some still do, but unfortunately what tends to happen is that a minority of social housing tenants (sorry, but this is the way it works in the real world) make lives miserable for everyone else, whether it be through noise, anti-social behaviour or whatever. As housing associations are businesses they often can't afford to take financial punts on whether a particular mix of tenancies will work; hence separation.
 
I live in a block which is partly shared-ownership (the lower floors) and partly privately owned (higher up). It actually works the other way where I live, in that those of us who have bought the shared ownership flats are really committed to the block and to creating some kind of a community. The flats that are privately owned have often been bought as 'investment' properties and have been rented out. The people that are renting them aren't commited to the block, or to creating any kind of community there, and are, consequently, much worse neighbours (loud parties, etc).
 
brix said:
I live in a block which is partly shared-ownership (the lower floors) and partly privately owned (higher up). It actually works the other way where I live, in that those of us who have bought the shared ownership flats are really committed to the block and to creating some kind of a community. The flats that are privately owned have often been bought as 'investment' properties and have been rented out. The people that are renting them aren't commited to the block, or to creating any kind of community there, and are, consequently, much worse neighbours (loud parties, etc).
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Yup, I can definitely see how that could happen too - good point.

ETA: it's these people entering the buy-to-let market, isn't it? A pox on them all! :mad:
 
I always thought the Guinness Trust were one of the best HA to get on the books of?

Mixing private and social housing can work. Here in Enfield Island Village it's mainly a private development but obviously as part of the planning agreement some is social housing given to a HA. Everyone takes a pride in the area and it's a very quite, well kept area.
 
that does sound pretty ghastly to be honest.

i have to make it clear that in this day and age social housing is pretty much funded by the selling off of chunks of estates to private ownership or leasehold in order to pay for maintenance.

it could well be that this is the only way guinness can afford to maintain their estate. the HA i work for has received flack for similar projects, but in the absence of central funding sometimes this is the only way.
 
PacificOcean said:
Some of us need somewhere to rent. We can't all be social tennants.
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Oh, I accept that. It's just that as was pointed out above, some people in short tenancies in flats they rent can cause trouble for longer-term residents, as there may be less incentive for them to modify their behaviour for the benefit of others.
 
I'm in Spain reading this, my mum lives there and I'm gonna call her right now. First I've heard of it.
 
paminbrixton said:
To object, 3 copies of your objections in writing must be sent to Mr Alexander O'Doherty, Planning Inspectorate, Room 4/04, Temple Quay House, 2 The Square, Temple Quay, Bristol BS1 6PN, quoting Planning Appeal no. APP/N5660/A/06/2010285/NWF. Plans can be viewed by contacting Chris Duckett on 020 7926 4056:eek:
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You could get a standard objection letter together and get as many people as posiable to sign it? If you get anything near a group of people who are opposed to it together set up a miling list on google groups to get yourselves organsied.
 
Guiness trust residents association are opposing the Trusts plans.The Planning Officers turned down the Trusts plans which is why its going to appeal.So much for Housings Association listening to the local community.
 
Biggest problem I see here is the fact that since the first application the trust has only taken new tenants on short life tenancies, some of them have been here in excess of 5 years now but have no guarantee of being rehoused after redevelopment.

9 stories is only 1 more than Southwyck House.

Lifts man LIFTS!!!

Draught-proof windows.

Secure bicycle storage (at least it's what they say).

All in all I'm for it rather than against.
 
I cant find the planning application on the lambeth website. I have put in Ref 10/03653/OUT also tried address
Guinness Trust Buildings
Loughborough Park, London SW9 8NL
01494 535823

Also tried the map on website. I can find the estate but it will not identify it.

Can anyone help out here as i would like to look at application
 
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