George IV/Music Bar at 144 Brixton Hill closing as another Tesco comes to Brixton

[quimcunx]

144 Brixton Hill is the address for the Music Bar.

Fuck off, Tesco.

Is there anything can be done re planning permission?

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Previous discussion on this issue here: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...d-news-july-2012.295698/page-15#post-11365365

re planning permission: oppose everything. On ground of noise, traffic generated by car park/ATM/deliveries etc. Kate Hoey MP and Cllr Kingsley Abrahams were supportive when residents opposed the Tesco at the Russell Hotel, but sadly it was too late to do anything in that case really (planning permisson was already in place.) They may be willing to help again....though Brixton Hill is actually a different ward and constituency.

quimmy - I have the email addresses of some of the people involved in the campaign against the Russell Hotel Tesco. I could PM them on to you if you're interested in talking to them about their experiences and maybe get some advice?

 

[quimcunx]

oh, like me do something. We've not met have we?

Could be worth it. Thing is there is already permission for convenience store side of things. I guess they mean the category of use, rather than convenience store specifically. Permission is only needed for twiddling around the edges.

Hm.

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Thing is there is already permission for convenience store side of things. I guess they mean the category of use, rather than convenience store specifically. Permission is only needed for twiddling around the edges.

This is the same as the Russell Hotel situation. They only needed planning for the signage, ATM and installation of air con - which they got. Residents then objected on the grounds of delivery lorries making dangerous turns into the road in a very tight space, but it didn't come to anything. I think this will be very difficult to resist. Still, it could be worth doing some template letters for like-minded neighbours/residents to use to object to the planning.

Do Tesco own the site yet?

 

[quimcunx]

Don't know. You can see all the information I have in those letters in the OP.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Here's some info on the pub for Editor for his Lost Pubs of Brixton



An inquest into deaths at the reservoir nearby was also held at the George IV in the 1850s (page 17 and 18)

http://littlehamptonfort.co.uk/Fort Nelson Payment Slip.pdf

1851 Census
Hannah Brown living at George IV Stables – don’t know if the stables were separate accommodation rented by the landlord of the pub?

1864 Map
http://www.london1864.com/stanford50b.htm

1878 - Surrey Directory
George IV, William Prangnall, Brixton Rise

1881
George the Fourth - George the Fouth Cottages, Brixton, LAMBETH [1881] – (Assume it’s the same place)

1896 – Suburban Publicans
George IV, William Dedman, 144 Brixton Hill

1904 – Suburban Publicans Directory
George IV Hotel, John Cement, 114 Brixton Hill SW

1919 Surburban Directory
George IV Hotel, Jn Osment, 144 Brixton hill, SW2

1944 Census
George IV Hotel, Knowland Bros Ltd, 144 Brixton Hill SW2

1944 Post Office Directory
George IV Hotel, Knowland Bros Ltd, 144 Brixton Hill SW2

Not sure about this one (1826)
Brixton (Surrey)http://deadpubs.co.uk/London1826/London1826-AB.shtml

Black Horse, Robert Elden
Crown & Anchor, Hen Swift
Holland Arms, Robt Miles
Hope, Wm Skinner, Acre Lane
King George IV, Henry Wright
Lord Holland, John Spratley
Old White Horse, Thos Pitcher
Prince of wales, Roger Whittaker
Telegraph, James Brown
Wheatsheaf, Samuel Aveling
White Horse, Thos Higgins

Picture of it in 1904 in the background
http://landmark.lambeth.gov.uk/display_page.asp?section=landmark&id=8433

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

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144 Brixton Hill is the address for the Music Bar.

Fuck off, Tesco.

Is there anything can be done re planning permission?

and fuck Matt Magee (just in case he finds this thread)

 

[editor]

*title edit for clarity

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Can't you remove the apostrophe?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Would be good if you could fit George IV in the title as well as a lot more people still know it as that, but you've only got so much room I suppose

 

[editor]

How's that?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

How's that?

Much better!

Was known as the George IV for well over a century before George Four/Southside/Music Bar got their grubby little mitts on it

 

[Winot]

I had my last truly great ecstasy trip at a drum 'n' bass night in George IV. Perhaps I should try and recreate that in the aisles when it becomes a Tesco's.

 

[nagapie]

This thread makes me I wish someone would kill Tesco. Sadly even I shop there now as my local shop is a Tesco Metro.

 

[tommers]

I had one of the best nights of my life in the George IV after popping out for a pint of milk and getting distracted.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I had one of the best nights of my life in the George IV after popping out for a pint of milk and getting distracted.

I had many brilliant nights there. I've slept in half the rooms upstairs as well

 

[fortyplus]

I last shopped in Tesco in 2005. Their despicable behaviour, in collusion with Cllrs Reed and Prentice, over the ice rink / car park / etc, vindicated my earlier decision that they would never see another penny of my money.

Sainsbury's is just down the hill in the carpet shop now, so they have to compete, and carry on destroying local businesses.

I have often thought that, were I ever inclined to take my own life, I would do so by detonating myself inside a Tesco Metro, preferably one of those ones that's like the house store for some gated housing development, so that I took with me a good number of the plastic muppets who degrade their souls by living in such places and shopping at Tesco.

And if anything were to trigger such an urge, it would surely be the desecration of the site of some of my greatest ever nights out dancing.

 

[lang rabbie]

Matt hasn't updated his Twitter account to reflect his exciting new job working on London store openings:

 

[slcr]

Even if it's not possible to oppose it becoming a Tesco (and does anyone one know whether it's possible to challenge the original planning permission that says it can be a convenience store? Especially given there's a Sainsbury's just down the hill now?), is it worth all writing to ask that the signage fits in with the surroundings rather than being normal white blue and red Tesco signage? Aren't we in a conservation area technically?

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Even if it's not possible to oppose it becoming a Tesco (and does anyone one know whether it's possible to challenge the original planning permission that says it can be a convenience store? Especially given there's a Sainsbury's just down the hill now?), is it worth all writing to ask that the signage fits in with the surroundings rather than being normal white blue and red Tesco signage? Aren't we in a conservation area technically?

I remember when the Crown and Sceptre tried to change its name when it was taken over by Wetherspoons and they weren't allowed. Not sure why that was though. Is any of Streatham Hill in the conservation area?

From what I can remember of going past it, the Tesco that's now under the Russell Hotel has signage that isn't quite as glaring as other shops

 

[quimcunx]

If they are writing letters then maybe it's because there is an objection to be had?

 

[fortyplus]

Tesco certainly sponsored the planning application, even if they don't (yet) technically own the site. This is now their modus operandi, because an application in their name would have been picked up and opposed.
It's deliberate obfuscation, anti-transparency.
Deception is a better word for it.
It shouldn't be allowed. It's further proof that they are utter, utter cunts, as if we didn't know that already. All the supermarkets are, but Tesco and WalMart are in a different league.

They should be called out for their deception. You can bet that somewhere in their corporate guff there will be a commitment to transparency. Lying tossers.

Engage, condemn, scare off, boycott.

And people, you know that if you ever spend any money with Tesco, your soul will rot for eternity. That is a true fact.

 

[Onket]

Can someone set up an online petition? Perhaps with links to template letters for people to send?

Is there actually any point?

 

[gabi]

I doubt it. Sadly. Tesco will get its way.

 

[gabi]

There's an email address on that letter. Use it creatively.

 

[gabi]

'Dear Neighbour'

Sender's address: 'Cheshunt, Herts'

 

[editor]

'Dear Neighbour'

Sender's address: 'Cheshunt, Herts'

Tweeted all over the place. Well spotted.

 

[chazegee]

Was always my first port of call when I lived on the hill and started rolling down it.

 

[mach v]

GODDAMIT!! Why can't we have a nice waitrose store instead?



*hello* long time, etc.

I wonder if I have one of these letters at home, too; considering the proximity of the George IV to my 'umble abode, behind Tudor Close. I'll certainly be whinging at that email address.

 

[Winot]

GODDAMIT!! Why can't we have a nice waitrose store instead?

Apparently we're not allowed to shop at Waitrose because this is Brixton not Chelsea.