fire insurance maps online

[Pickman's model]

very interesting

1) about: http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelprestype/maps/fireinsur/insurancemaps.html

2) the maps: http://gallery.bl.uk/viewall/default.aspx?e=Fire insurance maps and plans London and SE

 

[Mapped]

There's some good stuff in there. Lots of historic map geeks love these.

If people fancy marking these maps' exact locations so they can be overlaid on current maps then you can do it online along with WWI and US Military maps http://www.bl.uk/maps/ I've just done a couple and it's a bit addictive.

The last batch the BL released to be georeferenced got done in no time at all.

 

[Mapped]

I've just got a really hard one from 1901. The only clues are It's supposedly NW London, the road is Roman Rd (which isn't NW London!) and there is the site of Blogg's Brewery. There's basically no information about Blogg's brewery online. When I did this before they were generally maps of larger areas, so a lot easier.

 

[RoyReed]

Here's the one for central Brixton 1897: http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/london/htok/zoomify152895.html

Never knew there was a Turkish Baths in Brixton - 461 Brixton Road (roughly where Woolworths used to be).

 

[Casaubon]

Here's the one for central Brixton 1897: http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/london/htok/zoomify152895.html

Never knew there was a Turkish Baths in Brixton - 461 Brixton Road (roughly where Woolworths used to be).

Great detail on these maps, they really illuminate life at the time.
The smithy and slaughterhouse on Electric Lane must have been lovely neighbours.
I think that urban development might have made this map obsolete as soon as it was published.
Rushcroft Rd is still shown as Ardville Rd. If I remember correctly, the mansion blocks on the south side of Rushcroft Rd were built 1896/7 (dates are shown on the front of some buildings), and the name was changed around this time.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I've just got a really hard one from 1901. The only clues are It's supposedly NW London, the road is Roman Rd (which isn't NW London!) and there is the site of Blogg's Brewery. There's basically no information about Blogg's brewery online. When I did this before they were generally maps of larger areas, so a lot easier.

Hendon?

My 1911 Stanfords equivalent of an A-Z lists 'Roman Road' Hendon whch seems to be an alternative name for Watling Street.

This has reference to a brewery in Hendon.

 

[Mapped]

Hendon?

My 1911 Stanfords equivalent of an A-Z lists 'Roman Road' Hendon whch seems to be an alternative name for Watling Street.

This has reference to a brewery in Hendon.

Nice detective work there. I gave up trying!

 

[Pickman's model]

Great detail on these maps, they really illuminate life at the time.
The smithy and slaughterhouse on Electric Lane must have been lovely neighbours.
I think that urban development might have made this map obsolete as soon as it was published.
Rushcroft Rd is still shown as Ardville Rd. If I remember correctly, the mansion blocks on the south side of Rushcroft Rd were built 1896/7 (dates are shown on the front of some buildings), and the name was changed around this time.

the date will be given in the lcc's list of streets and places in the administrative county of london (1929-34 ed.)

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I think that urban development might have made this map obsolete as soon as it was published.

Wouldn't surprise me at all.

And for that matter, it's not wise to take published maps as 100% accurate. I've got a couple (from just before the 1939 War) that show things that were 'about to happen' but never did, e.g. the Northern Line extension from Edgware to Bushey Heath and the re-alignment of a chunk of the South Circular through Grove Park.

Then there's the possibility of 'trap streets'

 

[Mapped]

Then there's the possibility of 'trap streets'

Were they bothered by copyright infringement on maps in the early 20th Century?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Were they bothered by copyright infringement on maps in the early 20th Century?

not sure. I've not encountered any that I have noticed...

 

[Crispy]

There's some good stuff in there. Lots of historic map geeks love these.

If people fancy marking these maps' exact locations so they can be overlaid on current maps then you can do it online along with WWI and US Military maps http://www.bl.uk/maps/ I've just done a couple and it's a bit addictive.

The last batch the BL released to be georeferenced got done in no time at all.

The instruction video makes a massive error right on the first point, when it references the location of old London Bridge to the location of the current bridge. The old bridge actually spanned one block over to the East, in line with the Monument.

 

[Pickman's model]

The instruction video makes a massive error right on the first point, when it references the location of old London Bridge to the location of the current bridge. The old bridge actually spanned one block over to the East, in line with the Monument.

i think you'll find it landed on the north bank where st magnus martyr is. this 'block' nonsense is a pernicious americanism: drop it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Were they bothered by copyright infringement on maps in the early 20th Century?

"they" were in regard to directories.

 

[el-ahrairah]

fascinating stuff, cheers Pickmans.

 

[Crispy]

i think you'll find it landed on the north bank where st magnus martyr is. this 'block' nonsense is a pernicious americanism: drop it.

Yes, in line with the Monument, one city block over, as I said. The construction industry in the UK refers to city blocks as city blocks, so please sheath your accusations of Americanism, thank you

The BL map matching app is horribly addictive I've just nailed down the location of an old Lye factory in Nottingham by cross referencing several old OS maps. The whole area has been cleared and re-planned in the intervening years, so I had to overlay old maps on new to see where the roads used to go.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes, in line with the Monument, one city block over, as I said. The construction industry in the UK refers to city blocks as city blocks, so please sheath your accusations of Americanism, thank you

The BL map matching app is horribly addictive I've just nailed down the location of an old Lye factory in Nottingham by cross referencing several old OS maps. The whole area has been cleared and re-planned in the intervening years, so I had to overlay old maps on new to see where the roads used to go.

next you'll be saying we should use military inventions to describe mass killing, e.g. we 'degraded' them. just because the construction industry has adopted the terminology of our american cousins doesn't mean we need to adopt it ourselves.blocks are all well and good when cities are laid out according to a grid pattern, when the term has some meaning. london, and particularly the city of london, are not laid out this way.

 

[Crispy]

The BL map matching app is horribly addictive

I've lost count of the number of historic maps I've aligned today.
Somebody help me.

 

[Mapped]

I've lost count of the number of historic maps I've aligned today.
Somebody help me.

It's a clever ploy by the BL. They get the public to do their work for them for free!