Europe - a mess to come

[gosub]

First order of business after the EUro elections on the 22nd of May is the selection of the new Commission. The first since the Treaty of Lisbon that we didn't get a say on. European Council will put forward its recommendations within a week. This from a UK point of view will be decided by Cameron et al- the government made up in directly from the MP's we vote for. Don't actually get a vote for any one in that position -turnout 56%
European Parliament have to majority endorse it, and chances are will take the opportunity not to,we are more powerful blah, blah this is what are will is. If that stands, will be similar to how we end up with a PM, we vote for someone who chooses for us. Instead of being the choice of someone, chosen by people we vote for (iyswim).
But the turn out will be lower probably 35% and how much much do we the electorate know of how or chosen MEP's will vote?

A real chance of deadlock between EUropean Council, and within European Parliament,and I would say no real mandate among any of them.

 

[gosub]

somebody else noticed
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...vote-could-make-things-worse-for-Britain.html

"There is a massive second challenge for No 10: the next president of the executive arm, the European Commission, who will be selected shortly after the elections. In the EU sausage machine, the commission is largely in charge of what goes in. Bizarrely, because of the Lisbon Treaty, no one knows who ultimately decides who becomes the president, although the EP claims that it, somehow, has the democratic right to determine the appointment.

The three main candidates the EP has proposed make José Manuel Barroso, the current president, look like a raving Eurosceptic: for the socialists, Martin Schulz, who thinks it’s “possible and necessary” to have a United States of Europe; the liberals’ Guy Verhofstadt, who has likened Cameron to a “mad man threatening to blow himself up”; and, for the EPP, the uninspiring Jean-Claude Juncker, for 18 years the prime minister of Luxembourg, infamous for saying important EU decisions should be taken “in dark secret rooms”. “When it becomes serious, you have to lie,” as he put it."

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Tl:dr

 

[gosub]

"the German chancellor warned that there was no legal basis for him to automatically get the job. The Lisbon Treaty only requires European leaders to "take account" of EU elections and does not allow MEPs to nominate a candidate. "As a member of the EPP, I supported Jean-Claude Juncker as our candidate for the presidency of the European Commission and I haven't forgotten that. But I still have to respect the treaty. You can't break a treaty for party political promises, so we do have to look at a somewhat broader tableau of suitable persons."

"The EU assembly has insisted that Mr Juncker should get the job because he was the spitzenkandidat, or leading candidate, of the European People's Party (EPP) which won most seats in Europe-wide elections."

""The European elections are over; the result is clear and accepted by everyone in the European Parliament," said Hannes Swoboda, president of the Socialists' group in the European Parliament. As the European Council refuses to accept its responsibilities, we call on Jean-Claude Juncker to start negotiations without a council mandate."

"Any candidate to take over the commission, the EU executive that proposes all European legislation, in the autumn must get a majority of votes in the European Parliament. Some MEPs are threatening deadlock by blocking any candidate that they did not choose.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...first-skirmish-in-battle-over-EU-top-job.html


And so it begins. Hard, in this country to disagree with Cameron. Even the BBC's election night coverage didn't really break it down into what it meant for the Brussels based parties. Throughout the election there was fuck all coverage of what Juncker, Schulz et al stand for. I can't even tell you what the difference is between Green and SNP and they certainly made no effort to explain the vagaries of EUro politics.

Deadlock awaits but the EUro Parliaments democratic mandate in this is tokenism.

 

[Teaboy]

OP if you're wandering why this thread isn't getting many responses it may be in part due to the way you post. You make what it probably quite a complicated situation sound utterly incomprehensible.

 

[TodayIsCaturday]

Is EUrope the new Bliar?

 

[Dogsauce]

Is EUrope the new Bliar?

It's the EUSSR according to the bottom half of the internet.

 

[gosub]

OP if you're wandering why this thread isn't getting many responses it may be in part due to the way you post. You make what it probably quite a complicated situation sound utterly incomprehensible.

As EUrope inches (should that be cm's) its way towards Federalism. Remember the EUro elections, how the potential MEP's campaigned, how the media covered it, even how it was discussed here on Urban. It is totally out of synch with the UK mindset. Shame we can't really know how it was played in other EU nations.

This (just deciding the Commission) will run til at least the Autumn, get some popcorn and a deckchair.

 

[Manter]

It's the EUSSR according to the bottom half of the internet.

I've never heard bottom half of the internet before. That's ace

 

[gosub]

Also a nice potential for a split in Labour. will Labour MEP's that stood on anti bedroom tax and VAT rises on food among other things side with Cameron or will allegiances to Schulz prove stronger, and what does that mean for Mlliband.


The whole thing is a mess. Getting covered by more and more sticking plasters. When what is really needed is the oxygen of a plebicite.

 

[Dr Jon]

European Commission “A Disgrace To The Democratic Traditions In Europe”

 

[SpookyFrank]

The whole thing is a mess. Getting covered by more and more sticking plasters. When what is really needed is the oxygen of a plebicite.

You're not medically trained are you?

 

[brogdale]

You're not medically trained are you?

Reminds me of an old video about pollution narrated by Susannah York that I used when teaching. Talking about 'polluter pays' she delivered the gold medal winning mixed metaphor of describing how firms caught polluting would be "...smoked out by the oxygen of publicity..". Genius.

 

[gosub]

I find my cuts heal quite quickly when left in open air. Not done it, but dressing on top of festering dressing - gangrene

 

[Gerry1time]

The one thing that typifies this and pisses me off in equal measure is the Twitter biog of this vice-president of the EU Commission.

I am fighting like hell for a EU you can believe in.

Are you fuck love. You're spunking public cash on pointless digital projects in big contracts awarded to people you like.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Something you can believe in is not necessarily something you want. I believe in herpes for example, but I'm quite happy to live out my days never having experienced it.

 

[J Ed]

To paraphrase Dizzie Rascal - it exists, I believe in it.

 

[brogdale]

Cameron won't get his man....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/angela-merkel-jean-claude-juncker-european-commission

Angela Merkel has thrown her weight behind Jean-Claude Juncker for the next European commission leader, dealing a blow to David Cameron's attempts to block Luxembourg's former prime minister from taking up the role.

The German chancellor said at the National Catholic Congress in Regensburg: "I will now lead all negotiations in the spirit that Jean-Claude Juncker should become president of the European commission."

Both Merkel and Juncker's parties are members of the European People's party (EPP) bloc, the centre-right group that gained the most seats in Sunday's European parliament elections.

David Cameron, whose Conservative party left the EPP in 2009, as well as Hungary and Sweden's prime ministers have opposed Juncker, lobbying for a more reformist candidate.

Farage must be laughing.

 

[J Ed]

Very democratic this process of selecting the EU executive.

 

[brogdale]

Very democratic this process of selecting the EU executive.

Yeah, like deals struck secretly behind closed doors, after the electorate have 'spoken'; thank goodness we don't see our national executive chosen in such a manner.

 

[J Ed]

Yeah, like deals struck secretly behind closed doors, after the electorate have 'spoken'; thank goodness we don't see our national executive chosen in such a manner.

Well, yes, and our own democratic deficit is often cited as an example of why the EU is sufficiently democratic.

 

[brogdale]

Well, yes, and our own democratic deficit is often cited as an example of why the EU is sufficiently democratic.

Yes; both being sufficiently democratic for capital.

 

[gosub]

O

Cameron won't get his man....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/angela-merkel-jean-claude-juncker-european-commission



Farage must be laughing.

The only logical position. Sovereign parliament (you can't now become a commissioner without parliament nod) .And a position resulting from reform (sold here as tidying up) Shame the major candidates stood on how a different parliament was going

 

[butchersapron]

Why don't you just outline what you're posting about. No one has any idea what you're saying.

 

[brogdale]

O

The only logical position. Sovereign parliament (you can't now become a commissioner without parliament nod) .And a position resulting from reform (sold here as tidying up) Shame the major candidates stood on how a different parliament was going

Basic Engly Twentyfido? You are the professor, AICM£5.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Professor Sir Stanley Edwards?

 

[SpineyNorman]

I take it I'm not the only one who doesn't have a clue what this thread is meant to be about then?

 

[brogdale]

I take it I'm not the only one who doesn't have a clue what this thread is meant to be about then?

Deep joy.

 

[gosub]

Yeah, like deals struck secretly behind closed doors, after the electorate have 'spoken'; thank goodness we don't see our national executive chosen in such a manner.

If it was purely a European parliament thing it would be exactly like UK government as I said in op. Only that's not how the European elections went down

 

[brogdale]

Anyone?