Cyclist in lucky escape after being hit by lorry
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snowy_again
Slush
Or when lorries actually obey the signs that say "No right turn here"?
100% masahiko
i is a professor and is magical like totoro
I can't find the news report that says that women cyclists were to blame (fatal accidents in London are mostly women apparently).
plurker
tú no tienes la culpa mi amor que el mundo sea feo
As I posted on the other thread, the rider was in front of the lorry - I'm not sure that a windscreen constitutes a blind spot
Also, as snowy_again said above, there is also a 'No Right Turn' onto Duke St Hill - only buses and cyclists can legally turn right there...
TitanSound
Mr Beardy Drummer
Bloody hell, that must have been terrifying
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Bloody hell, that must have been terrifying
Indeed.. my thoughts exactly
100% masahiko
i is a professor and is magical like totoro
As I posted on the other thread, the rider was in front of the lorry - I'm not sure that a windscreen constitutes a blind spot
Also, as snowy_again said above, there is also a 'No Right Turn' onto Duke St Hill - only buses and cyclists can legally turn right there...
That driver should be done for dangerous driving.
fredfelt
Mostly unknown member
Women cyclists to blame?
I think the problem is often due to a mix of lack of confidence in cyclists and inpatient drivers. Cycling close to the curb encourages vehicles to overtake when they shouldn't. This includes HGV's overtaking just before junctions.
Even when I take 'the primary position' far too many vehicles, including HGV's are in a hurry to overtake. Far too often I'm overtaken and the the vehicle overtaking immediately stops at a junction or another obstruction they really should have noticed before they hurried to over take.
Inexperienced, inpatient, or unobservant drivers asserts that the cyclist 'rides into their blind spot'. While in reality moments ago the HGV has just overtaken the cyclist and left the cyclist no where to go.
Sure, a cyclist should never go up the inside of a HGV but it massively annoys me when the cyclist is automatically blamed when they are crushed by HGV's.
Everyone needs to take care out there. Particularly HGV drivers.
Crispy
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As I posted on the other thread, the rider was in front of the lorry - I'm not sure that a windscreen constitutes a blind spot
Also, as snowy_again said above, there is also a 'No Right Turn' onto Duke St Hill - only buses and cyclists can legally turn right there...
There are two right hand turns you can make - Joiner Street and Duke St. Hill. Only Duke St. Hill is buses only.
Blue line is the location of the crushed bicycle. No way of knowing if she pulled out from the middle lane into the path of the lorry, or if the lorry advanced onto her.
baldrick
hmmmmm
Actually it does, there is a blind spot more than big enough for a cyclist to fit into at the front of HGVs.As I posted on the other thread, the rider was in front of the lorry - I'm not sure that a windscreen constitutes a blind spot
That woman was incredibly lucky.
colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
That's my cycle route to work. You take your life in your hands every day with lorries there since they've been building the Shard
This is also true. At the country show last year they were doing demos for cyclists to sit in a bin lorry cab and see where the blindspot is. I now always wait well behind lorries. Even in static traffic.
ExtraRefined
Better than you at everything you love
When we ban lorries from London. And impose a speed limit on cars of 10 mph.
Crispy
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editor
hiraethified
I think you'll find the lorries usually overtake and then cyclists finds themselves put in the driver's blind spot. So it's entirely his responsibility to pay die care and attention, what with him driving into an area with lots of cyclists about.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It's certainly not ideal, but how would it be feasible to ban lorries from cities?
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hiraethified
I'm not suggesting banning lorries from cities. I am, however, wondering if it may be prudent to ban large HGVs from the narrow, congested streets during peak hours.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
even then? is it feasible?
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Crispy
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Many european cities do it.
Cid
Proper break this time
Indeed, learned about that in primary school... You can get front blind spot mirrors I think but, as I mentioned on the other thread, there's a pretty good argument that too many mirrors is a bad idea as they cover areas of vision themselves and there're only so many things one person can pay attention to. Thing is I'm constantly noticing how many terrible cyclists there are these days, the default for passing buses seems to be on the pavement side for example, see people squeezing through foot-wide gaps all the time. I don't like the idea of shifting responsibility onto victims, but really the standard of cycling (in London at least) is pretty awful and there's only a limited amount of changes you can make to a vehicle.
Think it's probably much easier to plan something like that in New York due to street layout and planning... But I can't see why a peak ban in central London would be impossible, I doubt many companies run freight at that time anyway.
Something along these lines i reckon:
'Think!' campaign aimed at both cyclists and drivers.
Posters etc distributed to university halls of residence.
Free training linked to universities and businesses (know this already happens to an extent, just needs a wider roll-out and some standardisation). Also training for HGV drivers (although I imagine this is already in the test) and maybe an additional theory test for foreign drivers in the UK (no idea what standards there are in place/how viable that would be).
Compulsory large signs on the back of all large vehicles, I know many already have them, just standardise and make sure they're easily visible and understandable.
A new road sign for high-risk areas.
Ban on HGVs in city centres at peak hours.
Redesign of particularly bad junctions.
e2a: Problem with these new boards is that it's bloody hard to get your formatting right...
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
You just have to assume the lorry driver isn't 'from round here', hasn't ridden a bike in decades and doesn't give a fuck anyway. If you trust a lorry driver to do the right or sensible thing, you're an idiot.
He's going to do what's best for him, and then he's going to go home for tea.
- is what I tell myself.
He's going to do what's best for him, and then he's going to go home for tea.
- is what I tell myself.
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