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Students shot at Cleveland school

Emergency services at the scene of the shooting in Ohio

News conference
At least five people have been wounded in gunfire at a high school in the US state of Ohio, city officials say.

Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson told reporters that two teenage boys and two adults had been hurt in the shooting and another girl had injured her knee.

Police said the gunman appeared to have killed himself and the site was secure.
Crazy...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7038532.stm
 
phildwyer said:
No doubt the gun laws will be blamed again.

More like anything apart from the gun laws will be blamed. I predict the pro-gun lobby will try and make out that guns don't kill people, people don't kill people and bullets are nice furry little critters who want to be hugged.

:rolleyes:
 
Another example of kids who never learnt to take the knocks the world gives us.
Short fused maniacs who can't take being rejected.:mad:
 
A common type of violence outbreak that characterises the US as a nation. It glories in violence and everywhere you turn you find it, in the classrooms, in the movies, on the battlefields, in foreign cities, on the telly.

A very violent nation. I mean, when kids go to school with guns, so much so that they have metal decectors in some (ie this is not unnormal), then what else is there to say?

The leading man is a violent tosser, and it permeates right the way down and through society there.
 
phildwyer said:
No doubt the gun laws will be blamed again.

The country (at least in modern history) was founded on violence, and therefore it's understandable i guess why violence is inherently within their culture.

They love it.
 
fela fan said:
The country (at least in modern history) was founded on violence, and therefore it's understandable i guess why violence is inherently within their culture.
One could also argue that the human race is founded upon violence...
 
well brining in gun control in the states would lead to two things

nice law abiding people would hand weapons in

criminals wouldn't

foaming at the mouth gun owners would fight as its part of there constitution to have the right to be armed

now how you take guns off bad guys while allowing normal people to have them for self defence. not just against other people but bears cougars snakes and rabid racoons etc
 
likesfish said:
well brining in gun control in the states would lead to two things

nice law abiding people would hand weapons in

criminals wouldn't

foaming at the mouth gun owners would fight as its part of there constitution to have the right to be armed

now how you take guns off bad guys while allowing normal people to have them for self defence. not just against other people but bears cougars snakes and rabid racoons etc

... is not wrong. To be honest, probably the best way of preventing school shootings in the US, or at least minimizing the number of casualties, is to arm and train teachers.
 
agricola said:
... is not wrong. To be honest, probably the best way of preventing school shootings in the US, or at least minimizing the number of casualties, is to arm and train teachers.

Look, you can't have it both ways: either pro-gun or pro-punctuation, that's your choice.
 
Detroit City said:
One could also argue that the human race is founded upon violence...

But you'd have to argue your case mate, and likely lose.

Whereas with the US, it is historical fact. Back in adam and eve's day there were no tools to record history...

In any case, the US is a very violent country, and violence can be seen in several forms throughout american culture. I'm not saying other humans aren't violent, but these shootings are so common in america, and rare anywhere else. And which other country has metal detectors at schools?
 
agricola said:
... is not wrong. To be honest, probably the best way of preventing school shootings in the US, or at least minimizing the number of casualties, is to arm and train teachers.

Just reread what you said there agricola. If teachers find part of their job description as arms training, then that would indicate that society has plumbed the depths and has taken just about all the wrong turnings.

It would have to start again.

Oh, wait a minute, maybe that is a kernel of an answer...
 
fela fan said:
The country (at least in modern history) was founded on violence, and therefore it's understandable i guess why violence is inherently within their culture.
.

British history is without violence?:eek:

I mean, you were still putting the boot in in Northern Ireland till fairly recently.
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I don't think Bush can take personal responsibility for this unbalanced 14 year old.

Well said johnny, but were you looking for anyone to disagree with that? Any reason for this sentence of yours? Or are you just imagining your own ideas onto other people? Projection i think it's called.
 
fela fan said:
Well said johnny, but were you looking for anyone to disagree with that? Any reason for this sentence of yours? Or are you just imagining your own ideas onto other people? Projection i think it's called.

10-10-2007, 06:43 PM
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AThe leading man is a violent tosser, and it permeates right the way down and through society there.


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Johnny Canuck2 said:
British history is without violence?:eek:

I mean, you were still putting the boot in in Northern Ireland till fairly recently.

You obviously missed post #15 and my specific points in the other posts.

I said the US was founded on violence.

I said other countries have violence (notice use of present tense), but that the US was a country with extreme amounts of violence.

I will add, especially for a so-called developed nation.

And lastly british history is steeped in violence. And anglo-americanism is a byword for violence, both within their own cultures, and to other cultures.

So just what was your bloody point man?
 
fela fan said:
Go on man, make yeself clear, at the moment all i can see is you having problems with understanding the english language.

It's this:

The leading man is a violent tosser, and it permeates right the way down and through society there.

You seem to be arguing two different things. That sentence above implies that the president, Bush, is a violent tosser, and that therefore, the country has followed his lead, and acts violently.

Then, you argue that the country was founded in violence, and that violence permeates the place. If that's true, then the president's propensity to violence is sort of beside the point in understanding the occurrence of violence in that society.
 
fela fan said:
I said other countries have violence (notice use of present tense), but that the US was a country with extreme amounts of violence.

Um... Nope, its not. Having lived there for a bit and visited every once in a while I've *never* seen anything violent. A minority of Americans are "violent" but I wouldn't call it an extremely violent society.

Course, if yo've got stats to back this up...

fela fan said:
And lastly british history is steeped in violence. And anglo-americanism is a byword for violence, both within their own cultures, and to other cultures.

Um.. Nope, it isn't... I've never heard anyone say anything like this.

fela fan said:
So just what was your bloody point man?

If anyone is being aggressive then its you...!
 
How many countries weren't founded on violence? The Thais certainly had to do a lot of fighting to carve out a country from the territories of the Burmese, Khmers, and Malays!
 
jæd said:
If anyone is being aggressive then its you...!

Yeah, well i'm an anglo-american aren't I. I have long recognised the verbal violence we are prone to. Never mind the other kind, which i can say is beyond me.

I try not to let the verbal bit loose, but it comes out sometimes. But i'm in good company, you can see it all over these boards.
 
fela fan said:
Yeah, well i'm an anglo-american aren't I. I have long recognised the verbal violence we are prone to. Never mind the other kind, which i can say is beyond me.

I try not to let the verbal bit loose, but it comes out sometimes. .

But it's kind of unsettling, though: you're supposed to be Mr. Mellow, chilling in the jungle, but out comes this string of invective.:eek:
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
But it's kind of unsettling, though: you're supposed to be Mr. Mellow, chilling in the jungle, but out comes this string of invective.:eek:

String of invective? Where?

In any case, if it's unsettling for anyone it'll be me.

And it ain't. I flip between being mellow and getting back to my roots/genes. No worries at all, and life ain't boring.
 
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