Amanda Knox is Free - NOT GUILTY

[Ibn Khaldoun]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/world/europe/amanda-knox-defends-herself-in-italian-court.html?hp

PERUGIA, Italy — With a rapt worldwide television audience looking on, an Italian court on Monday reversed the murder conviction of 24-year-old Amanda Knox, the American student whose sensational murder trial had reverberated on both sides of the Atlantic.

Pier Paolo Cito/Associated Press

Amanda Knox broke into tears after hearing the verdict at the Perugia court on Monday.
The decision was read out a little before 10 p.m. to a courtroom heavy with tensions and emotions built up over the four years since the arrest of Ms. Knox and her then-boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, for the killing of her roommate, Meredith Kercher. Mr. Sollecito’s conviction was also overturned Monday.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Repost. NM.

[On second thoughts, maybe there is space for this thread and the one in the world politics forum but I expect mods to delete this because this is the third thread on the same topic on the UK forum.]

 

[ymu]

Retrial ordered.

(I chose the shortest thread to bump!)

 

[DrRingDing]

She won't attend though.

 

[ymu]

No. But if convicted, they might have to extradite. Not sure what the treaty is like between the US and Italy.

Solecito will attend, of course. Unless his family have whisked him out of the country already. (Or this is a Knox-only retrial, not read any details yet).

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Any idea as to why it has been called?

 

[ymu]

Summat to do with the partial DNA review done for their appeal against the original conviction. They're saying 100% review is required, and the prosecutor has agreed on that basis.

I'm disappointed. I hoped it was Guede was getting a retrial when my partner mentioned the headline. I don't think he's (very likely to be) guilty.

 

[barney_pig]

According to last nights reports the prosecution argued the second trial judge was incompetent, partially because he allowed the Knox lawyers to trash forensic evidence which was not a part of the grounds for appeal which they had lodged, and thus should not have been a part of the defences arguments in the second trial.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Will we ever know what went on in that flat ? probably not. I don't believe Knox's version but then there isn't enough to actually convict her.

 

[flypanam]

No. But if convicted, they might have to extradite. Not sure what the treaty is like between the US and Italy.

Probably the same as the one the US has with every other country. They won't extradite one of their own citizens.

 

[phildwyer]

I'm disappointed. I hoped it was Guede was getting a retrial when my partner mentioned the headline. I don't think he's (very likely to be) guilty.

He's admitted it.

 

[Pingu]

tbh they will probably tell the eyties to fuck off based on the double jeopardy thing. cant be tried twice in the states for the same crime and iirc they have refused to extradite in the past based on this.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

He's admitted it.

Don't let FACTS get in the way though.

 

[phildwyer]

Don't let FACTS get in the way though.

And this entire bump is a pathetic troll.

 

[Pingu]

Depending on the treaty, extradition may also be denied on the basis of a number of procedural

considerations. Although the U.S. Constitution’s prohibition against successive prosecutions for



the same offense does not extend to prosecutions by different sovereigns, it is common for

extradition treaties to contain clauses proscribing extradition when the transferee would face
double punishment and/or double jeopardy (also known as non bis in idem).67


The more historic clauses are likely to bar extradition for a second prosecution of the “same acts” or the “same

event” rather than the more narrowly drawn “same offenses.”






The new model limits the exemption to fugitives who have been convicted or acquitted of the same offense and specifically

denies the exemption where an initial prosecution has simply been abandoned.



69

from a document I have

 

[ymu]

He's admitted it.

Really? He was still insisting he was not guilty when convicted wasn't he? When did he 'fess up?

<heads to google>

 

[butchersapron]

from a document I have

Read the judgement in the footnote #102 on page 23.

 

[ymu]

He's admitted it.

You'll need to source that for me. He has always admitted being in the flat, and running away instead of calling an ambulance. He has always denied rape and any involvement in the murder. If he's changed that story, I can't find it.

And this entire bump is a pathetic troll.

Oh, you're trolling.

Forget it.

 

[Pingu]

Read the judgement in the footnote #102 on page 23.

yeah reading the rest of that doc I am not so sure about how good a source it is

 

[phildwyer]

You'll need to source that for me. He has always admitted being in the flat, and running away instead of calling an ambulance. He has always denied rape and any involvement in the murder. If he's changed that story, I can't find it.


Oh, you're trolling.

Forget it.

We went through all this on the other thread.

 

[danny la rouge]

And this entire bump is a pathetic troll.

It's a current news story. How is that a troll?

 

[phildwyer]

It's a current news story. How is that a troll?

We went through all this on the other thread, in detail.

What's the point in bumping a virtually empty one, where everyone has to repeat themselves?

 

[ymu]

It's a current news story. How is that a troll?

Because that is precisely how Dwyer trolls. He makes ridiculous statements and then defends them beyond all reason. Old skool.

 

[danny la rouge]

We went through all this on the other thread, in detail.

And now a retrial has been called.

 

[phildwyer]

And now a retrial has been called.

But everyone has to repeat themselves.

 

[phildwyer]

Because that is precisely how Dwyer trolls. He makes ridiculous statements and then defends them beyond all reason. Old skool.

Why didn't you bump the other thread?

Why force everyone to repeat themselves?

 

[danny la rouge]

Fuck off, Dwyer.

 

[ymu]

We went through all this on the other thread, in detail.

What's the point in bumping a virtually empty one, where everyone has to repeat themselves?

Oh fuck off. I stated up-front that I bumped the shortest thread (to minimise inconvenience for people trying to work out why it's been bumped in case that's not fucking obvious; pogofish has created a fucking epidemic of massively long bumped threads and I, personally, hate it).

Bump the old thread if you want to. It's allowed, you know?

 

[phildwyer]

Fuck off, Dwyer.

You dig repetition don't you? You dig it, you dig it.

 

[phildwyer]

Bump the old thread if you want to. It's allowed, you know?

You bump it. You bumped this one.